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    Is this lock any good?

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1

    I might get one of these and use it together with my krypto ny 3000 for my commuter bike. Also, does anyone have any advice on where/how to lock up a bike at a bus terminal. The place has a bike rack out in the open and also has metal rails somewhat out of the way. Which would be better?
    thanks.

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    Cable locks are okay for locking a cheap front wheel. A crook can open a cable lock in under five seconds, so cable locks are NOT really a bike lock.

    For "all day" security at a train station, you need the Kryptonite New York 3000 U-lock or Fahgettaboudit chain, or the OnGuard Brute U-lock, or a heavy weight OnGuard chain. Lock to a steel post that is at least as big and beefy as your U-lock. Many railing posts are thin aluminum, or are so weakly attached that they can be pulled out with your bare hand.

    I like parking meters set in concrete. Parking meters are sturdy, and crooks understand how hostile cops can become when a crook starts cutting away on a source of city revenue.

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    "Parking meters are sturdy, and crooks understand how hostile cops can become when a crook starts cutting away on a source of city revenue."

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    Quote Originally Posted by alanbikehouston
    Cable locks are okay for locking a cheap front wheel. A crook can open a cable lock in under five seconds, so cable locks are NOT really a bike lock.

    For "all day" security at a train station, you need the Kryptonite New York 3000 U-lock or Fahgettaboudit chain, or the OnGuard Brute U-lock, or a heavy weight OnGuard chain.
    All I intend to use it for is to lock my wheel and seat, along with having my ny3000 on the bike. I just thought that it looked strong because it's thicker than the ny3000 I have (this cable is more than 3/4"). Do you mean that it can be cut in 5 seconds or simply picked open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben18
    Do you mean that it can be cut in 5 seconds or simply picked open.
    A big bolt cutter, the bike thief's weapon of choice, will cut right through that cable. Bolt cutters don't work so well on the better U-locks so they have to use another tool like maybe a car jack. The advantage to using both is that it forces the thief to use two different tools to steal your bike. Usually they can find a bike that only takes one tool to steal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retro Grouch
    A big bolt cutter, the bike thief's weapon of choice, will cut right through that cable.
    Have to take issue with that characterization, RG. The lock he's contemplating has a 20mm (0.79") diameter cable. It would take a very large and VERY sharp bladed bolt cutter to defeat a cable that hefty; and it would still not be easy. Anything less would just mash the cable and accomplish nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 661
    Have to take issue with that characterization, RG. The lock he's contemplating has a 20mm (0.79") diameter cable. It would take a very large and VERY sharp bladed bolt cutter to defeat a cable that hefty; and it would still not be easy. Anything less would just mash the cable and accomplish nothing.
    I have to admit that I haven't had the occasion to try because I make my living a different way but I think that I could do it. The real point is that, once you get past the cheesiest of locks, you are engaged in a high tech game of one-ups-man-ship with the thieves. Ultimately, that's a game that you will always lose. If you leave your bike parked in the same place day after day it gives the thief the opportunity to figure out what he needs to bring with him to steal it and when's the best time to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 661
    Have to take issue with that characterization, RG. The lock he's contemplating has a 20mm (0.79") diameter cable. It would take a very large and VERY sharp bladed bolt cutter to defeat a cable that hefty; and it would still not be easy. Anything less would just mash the cable and accomplish nothing.
    Every April, the editors of "Cycling Plus" time how long it takes to defeat various locks. CP's editors can open cable locks as fast with their tools as you can with a key.

    The only cable lock to last more than a minute weighed about eight pounds. In contrast, a four pound U-lock lasted ten minutes.

    Check out the test results at SoldSecure.com. How many cable locks available in the USA earned a "Gold" or "Silver" rating? How many U-locks? Do the math. Cable locks are a waste of money, except as protection for a low cost front wheel.

    www.soldsecure.com/Leisure.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by 661
    Have to take issue with that characterization, RG. The lock he's contemplating has a 20mm (0.79") diameter cable. It would take a very large and VERY sharp bladed bolt cutter to defeat a cable that hefty; and it would still not be easy. Anything less would just mash the cable and accomplish nothing.
    Sure if you attack the cable part. Anybody who's ever cut one knows you cut it where the cable joins the mechanism.

    The one shown by the original poster would take a little more effort, but I'd still get through it in <30 seconds with an old dull bolt cutter.

    (The image is one I had on the hard drive from another thread. It wasn't worth making a new one)

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    Q: What creates those weak points in a cable lock?
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    The main problem with U-locks is that are too small to lock to anything substantial.
    And most cities now have ticketed parking and have done away with meters.

    You could probably break that cable lock above with two pairs of vise grips - the shackle is only made from aluminium.

    The thieves in the magazine pick the locks, which is not a common way to steal bikes -most theft is 'casual' - kids, or people wanting a ride home from the pub.

    I still think a thick cable lock with a straight shackle, not a 90 degree bend, would be a little harder, although again it's made from aluminium and you could probably hacksaw through it (take some time though).

    At the end of the day, you shouldn't take an expensive bike and leave it unattended for long periods of time.

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    Faster than the dwarf, guys, faster than the dwarf.

    Park your bike next to one (or more) that are easier to steal, and/or more desireable. Instant theft protection.
    Weather today: Hot. Humid. Potholes.

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    I just wanted to contribute by saying that I can pick a regular cable lock in about 5 seconds using a basic pick and tension wrench. So what I like most about the big U-locks is that *most* of them have the more obscure cylinder-lock which requires a much more advanced lock-pick tool that the average thief doesn't have. Of course I still use the cheap cable lock that I got at kmart to lock my bike up all day on campus... i'm such a fool.

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    I guess what I should take from this is that if I am going to use a cable lock as a secondary lock I am just as well off using a 10mm as I am using a 20mm?
    thanks for all the input so far

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    not img-tagging it since it's not on my imagehost, but if you want a cable, and are paying for it, at least get something like this, which anything short of a boltcutter will choke on:

    http://www.ridegear.com/store/graphi...superarmor.jpg

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    I have decided not to get the lock, instead I got a 12mm kryptonite combo cable to go along with the new york 3000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EXCALIBUR
    Q: What creates those weak points in a cable lock?
    The encapsulation of the cable in an inflexible sleeve. It's jammed in there so tightly it may as well be a solid piece negating any "crushing"

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    this is what i got for $22 CDN at Walmart

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    If you are already using a good U-lock to secure the frame of your bike, just buy one of these Kryptonite KryptoFlex Cable - 7ft. You can run it through both of your wheels and the U-lock to secure your bike. You will also only have one key to worry about as well. I know that I can have enough problems with just a single key at times.

    With cable locks don’t work so much about the diameter of the cable. It is more of a visual/punk deterrent than anything. Most hard-up junkies or bike thieves will have access to a decent pair of 36” bolt cutters and they will make easy work of any cable you could feasibly carry around. Solid steel and a good locking mechanism is the only thing that will foil them.

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    I know that you already got something but I just thought I would give you MHO.

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    I usually lock up to a gas meter, if there's one around. There's no way a crook is going to cut through THAT to get to my bike!

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