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Old 08-06-05, 03:55 AM   #1
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These mistakes pop up so often! Hence I feel the need to turn special attention to spelling of these words:


Pedal - pedaling (not peddling, peddles)

faster, bigger than, not then

their bikes (bikes belong to them).

there are bikes



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That's not so much spelling as correct deployment of homophones.

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homophones.
Let's not leave out the heterophones.
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That's not so much spelling as correct deployment of homophones.

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I believe that homophones are illegal in 17 states, butt I could be wrong.
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Here's another: brakes, not breaks - those things that you use to stop the bike.
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it's steel..........not carbon, not titanium, not aluminum!
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your -> possessive and belonging
you're -> contraction for "you are"

What bugs me even more is the prevelant use of myself inappropriately. Instead of figuring out the proper use of I and me, which gives you 50% odds of being wrong, they just stick myself in automatically and end up with a 100% rate of being incorrect...

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Here's one: It's "rode," not "road," as in "I rode thirty miles today."
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it's -> contraction of "it is"
its -> possessive pronoun

But Danno, "excessive" use of myself could well be a regional thing.
It's quite common in Ireland. Of course, I'm not sure in which way you see "myself" being used so frequently, so you could be right as well...

And it's prevalent, not prevelant...

I'm not too fond of the construction using "... also ... as well" in a sentence.
That usually sounds tautologous to me...
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"But Danno, "excessive" use of myself could well be a regional thing. Of course, I'm not sure in which way you see "myself" being used so frequently, so you could be right as well..."

Well, I'm not sure if it's a regional thing, might be because English is such an unstructured language, coming from a mixture of German, Anglo, Saxon and various Indo-European languages. I certainly appears to be increasingly misused in the States with the common exposure of TV celebrities and news-anchors who barely passed high-school. Main problem comes in recognizing the use of nouns and pronouns and their locations in a sentence relative to the verb. I'll break this up in to a progression of 5 distinct cases so that it makes sense in how myself is so commonly and mistakenly used. Basically nouns are used in the subject of the sentence and pronouns are used in the predicate:

1. When talking about yourself in the subject, one uses I:

<noun> verb <pronoun> such as in "I gave the book to Sally." or "I kissed Sally."


2. When talking about yourself in the predicate of the sentence (object of verb), you use me:

<noun> verb <pronoun> -> "Sally gave the book to me." or "Sally kissed me."


3. Then comes the use of the conjunction and in either the subject or predicate; I and me are use in the same rules as before, I always used as the subject::

"I went to the bank." combined with "Sally went to the bank."
becomes "Sally and I went to the bank."


4. Same thing when combining in the predicate, me is used:

"The meteor fell on me." combined with "The meteor fell on Sally."
becomes "The meteor fell on Sally and me."


For the most part, the majority of times, I and me would be used. It's just that people aren't taught the proper usages and get confused with the conjunction and. Kids will say, "Hey mom, Billy-Bob and me caught a fish!" and mom says, "That's wonderful Billy-Joe, but you should use I instead of me in that sentence.". So the kid makes a mistaken assumption that me shouldn't be used and he goes to school and tells his teacher, "Hey Mrs. Smith, look at these fishing-poles my dad got Billy-Bob and I." and the teacher corrects him with, "That's nice Billy-Joe, you should've said, 'look at these fishing-poles my dad got Billy-Bob and me". So now the kid's all mess up and confused. Rather than trying to figure out whether to use I or me properly, he just sticks in myself by default and that should take care of everything. However, if he always uses I, he may be wrong 50% of the time, or if he uses me exclusively, he's only wrong 50%. But by using myself, he's wrong 100% of the time:

"Hey mom, Billy-Bob and myself caught a fish!"
"Hey Mrs. Smith, look at these fishing-poles my dad got Billy-Bob and myself."

as is the following incorrect uses of myself:

"Myself gave the book to Sally."
"Myself kissed Sally."
"Sally gave the book to myself."
"Sally kissed myself."
"Sally and myself went to the bank."
"The meteor fell on Sally and myself."


5. So when the 'ell do you use myself then? In only a very specific case when BOTH the subject and object of the verb are one and the same and it's you! By definition then, you also have to have a transitive reflexive verb as well; an "action" verb that acts back on the subject. Basically, it means that whenever you use myself, you also have to have a subject of I:

<noun> verb <pronoun>
"I kicked myself."
"I bit myself."
"I hit myself."
"I cut myself."
"I washed myself."

So really, the ONLY time you use myself in a sentence is when you're talking about things you did to yourself. And I is ALWAYS used in the subject and myself is ALWAYS used as the object of the verb. You'd never have:

"Myself kicked I."
"Myself bit I."
"Myself hit I."
"Myself cut I."
"Myself washed I."
or
"Myself kicked myself."
"Myself bit myself."
"Myself hit myself."
"Myself cut myself."
"Myself washed myself."


It may seem silly when broken down into simple examples like these. But it's really simple and easy, you just have to catch yourself when that laziness kicks in on whether to use I or me correctly and resist the urge to use myself automatically.


Question: Which is proper?

"Not I!" or "Not me!"

(certainly not "Not myself!")

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Danno, great job!

Another word often misused is affect, as in "wind affects stability", vs effect, as in consequence, result. The effect of cycling is weight loss.
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"But Danno, "excessive" use of myself could well be a regional thing. Of course, I'm not sure in which way you see "myself" being used so frequently, so you could be right as well..."

Well, I'm not sure if it's a regional thing, might be because English is such an unstructured language, coming from a mixture of German, Anglo, Saxon and various Indo-European languages. I certainly appears to be increasingly misused in the States with the common exposure of TV celebrities and news-anchors who barely passed high-school. Main problem comes in recognizing the use of nouns and pronouns and their locations in a sentence relative to the verb. I'll break this up in to a progression of 5 distinct cases so that it makes sense in how myself is so commonly and mistakenly used.
Here's a text I found for you that shows how Irish English differs in how "myself" is used:
http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache...e+myself&hl=en

I'd also like to add that a language belongs to its speakers, not to a small group of self-appointed guardians who resist any and every change. Languages constantly evolve, or they die.

If people generally feel that using "myself" in ways you find disturbing, is comfortable, then that's what will happen to English eventually. That's the only significant driving force behind changes in all languages.

English is not a finished language, perfect in every way. It's evolving, and will continue to do so until it's either dead or no longer English. I'm sure people in 17th century England had similar arguments, and just look at what's happened since then...

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English is not a finished language, perfect in every way. It's evolving, and will continue to do so until it's either dead or no longer English. I'm sure people in 17th century England had similar arguments, and just look at what's happened since then...
yes, I can see it now:

"Thou taffard, how dost thou posess such nerve. Such arrogance, to use such foul slang as "line". It is queue, and shalt always be queue. Thou words digsut me."


edit: whoever added the space removal script on this board needs grammatical help...it's TWO spaces after a period!"
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edit: whoever added the space removal script on this board needs grammatical help...it's TWO spaces after a period!"
I agree with you, but it's a losing battle. I've worked in the publishing business a long time, and one space seems to be the industry norm--as my copy editors tell me (again and again).
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Danno, great job!

Another word often misused is affect, as in "wind affects stability", vs effect, as in consequence, result. The effect of cycling is weight loss.
I'm still confused with this. I've been confused as a kid and I'm still confused today.
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How about "we'd" or "I'd" or "he'd". Those confuse me as well.
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yes, I can see it now:

it's TWO spaces after a period!"
sorry, you only need two spaces after a period when setting type in monospaced fonts like courier [kate turabian notwithstanding]. when setting type in a proportional font, one space is acceptable and preferred.
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"If people generally feel that using "myself" in ways you find disturbing, is comfortable, then that's what will happen to English eventually. That's the only significant driving force behind changes in all languages.

English is not a finished language, perfect in every way. It's evolving, and will continue to do so until it's either dead or no longer English. I'm sure people in 17th century England had similar arguments, and just look at what's happened since then..."


Sure, it evolves, but it's a matter of how it evolves and it's doing it much faster than just about any other language out there and all the irregularities makes it a very, very difficult language to learn. I'm very impressed with the foreigners who come here and learn English; many of them speak it much more impeccably than Americans! To this day, the way English is mis-used still bugs me, it's so... .... improper! It's like eating at a fine restaurant and cutting your food with your elbows above your ears. The French recently made a move to un-Americanize their language with the recent incorporation English terms from the internet like "Cliquez ici"

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If the language begins to change, and a majority of the speakers adopt that change, then that change has become the new correct language. No matter how much the resisting minority objects to it...

This has always been the case. Only now, within the lifetime of people alive today, have we begun to attempt to stop this process, for various reasons. The French example is probably one of the most obvious.
Which is ironic, as a fairly large number of words in French are of Germanic origin...

Generally, the larger a language is (both in terms of speakers and geographical extent), and the more it is subjected to foreign learners, the more simplified it becomes. Look at isolated languages, like Icelandic, where the grammar is quite complicated compared to Icelandic's closest relatives, the Scandinavian languages.

English only has two cases, essentially no gender and almost no complex rules that are vital for basic understanding. That makes it relatively easy to learn. Try Czech or Hungarian instead, and you're in for a ride...

Either you accept change or you resist futilely...
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This joke could be referring to me:

So, this tight-assed grammarian dies and goes to heaven. He knocks on the pearly gates, and St. Peter says, "Who's there?"

The voice answers, "It is I."

St. Peter says, "Go to hell. We have enough tight-assed grammarians up here."
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But Danno, "excessive" use of myself could well be a regional thing.
It's quite common in Ireland. Of course, I'm not sure in which way you see "myself" being used so frequently, so you could be right as well......
And then there is excessive use of myself as a mental thing. When everyone inside myself is clamoring for time at the keys (you know, me and that other guy, I ) I have to differentiate myself from the others. So, when you see myself posting, you will know it was not me. Nor was it I.
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"The voice answers, "It is I."

St. Peter says, "Go to hell. We have enough tight-assed grammarians up here.""


Glad to see someone getting just punishment for poor grammar...
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