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Old 08-20-02, 11:02 AM   #1
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Fuel Prices in your neighborhood

Since we have a "global community" here, I thought it might be interesting to compare fuel prices in various corners of the world. I will convert southern Ontario's current 68 cents per litre (will probably increase by 5 cents per litre next week due to long weekend) to American gallons ( 1 litre = 3.8 Am Gallons) and American Dollars ($1 Cdn = $0.64 Am)

0.68 x.64 = $0.43 Am per litre which = $1.63 Am per Am gallon

Why would anybody want to drive at these prices??
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I paid $1.59 per US gallon a couple of days ago in the Cleveland, Ohio metro area. That is a middle grade (89 octane) gasoline. My car gets pretty good mileage and I commute a lot on the bike so I don't fill up that often.

We hit over $2.00/gal. during the last gas crisis earlier this year.
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I just fueled up today at $1.43 per gallon.
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Just asked my family what the price of gas is where they live (Staffordshire, England). I got the answer 75p a liter.

This works out to:

.75*2.39*3.8= $6.81CAN per gallon ($1.80 a liter)
.75*1.85*3.8= $4.50US a gallon.

Imagine what would happen in the US and Canada if prices went this high.

Only goes to show that the economy COULD survive if prices went this high!
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Well Done Spire

It saved me working it out

The price I can live with because even though I own a car, it's always my last option.
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Lets see - to fill up today
1 muffin $.55
1 Banana $.18
2 cups of coffee (free at work)

For lunch ......
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I haven't bought gas in 2 weeks but I noticed my Chevron was at 1.44 gal/ and a AM/PM (ARCO) was at 1.29 gal haven't seen it that low in a looong time. We are spoiled in this country compared to our freinds to the north and the brits (freinds to the east)
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Just asked my family what the price of gas is where they live (Staffordshire, England). I got the answer 75p a liter.

This works out to:

.75*2.39*3.8= $6.81CAN per gallon ($1.80 a liter)
.75*1.85*3.8= $4.50US a gallon.

Imagine what would happen in the US and Canada if prices went this high.

Only goes to show that the economy COULD survive if prices went this high!
Is not a substantial amount of this price taxes rather than price related?

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Regular unleaded here is $1.37 right now.
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Is not a substantial amount of this price taxes rather than price related?

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Yep

Not to get to deep, but if your interested try HERE
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\ Down here in orlando its running around $1.35-1.40 a gallon for 87octane
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Yep

Not to get to deep, but if your interested try HERE
Now that's complicated! Thanx for the info though. Seems our method of X cents per gallon is a bit more straighforward.

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It varies. I think I paid $1.25 recently for 87 octane "regular gas."

My wife's car just lost it's transmission. I could be looking at $1,500. Already this year we sunk over $800 into this car.

Gas is looking really cheap...
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Most places here charge about $1.49/gallon for unleaded 87 octane (R+M/2 method). I filled up for $1.52 with the 88 octane unleaded (harder to find-most places only stock 87,89, and 92).
BTW, although I do drive a truck, it only has a 2.5l litre 4 cylinder, and it gets an average of 29 mpg. It also has a bike rack......
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Let's see.

Petrol is 89c AUD per litre.

89¢AUD x 54¢ US (exchange rate) = 48¢US per litre

48¢ x 3.8 litres = $1.82US per gallon

I hope that's right.

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Let's see.

Petrol is 89c AUD per litre.

89¢AUD x 54¢ US (exchange rate) = 48¢US per litre

48¢ x 3.8 litres = $1.82US per gallon

I hope that's right.

CHEERS.

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Thanks for that Mark. Your calculations of the Australian equivilents saves me a lot of work.

The price here in Perth is very similar, maybe a couple of cents a litre less.
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Here in Switzerland, regular (cheap) unleaded costs about 1.25/liter, so that's about $ 3.14/gallon.

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i drive rarely here in Germany and don't own a car...

last weekend i borrowed the girlfriend's car to get to Austria to climb Grossglockner (3798m or 12,500ft - beautiful with 2000m vertical!) and filled up in Austria with super (95 octane i think - she demands that for HER car, so OK) and i paid i think €.98/liter where 3.8 l/gal, $.978/€

so that's €3.74/gal = $3.78/gal not sure, but "regular unleaded" is like maybe $3.40/gal or so.

on the good side, i was driving a Fiat Punto (4-door similar to a Ford Focus) which gets 47MPG (5.1 lit/100km) -- but still easily cruises at 140-150km/h on the autobahn (88-94mph) well, in Germany at least. in Austria speed limit is 130km/h or 81.5mph --- nice little car!
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Well, if I owned a car, I'd be paying roughly what Nathan paid. About 70% of which would be taxes.

But, as an earlier post asked, the interesting question is what would happen if the U.S. and Canada had to pay European prices for gasoline. I used to think this alone would solve many problems in the U.S. (I am less qualified to speak to the Canadian question). Just tack on a massive gas tax, and watch the U.S. over-consumption of the world's fossil fuels come back down to reasonable levels. The decline in consumption would also have desirable political effects, such as making us less dependent on propping up abusive middle eastern monarchies.

But, alas, without massive investment in mass transit infrastructure, this would hit the poor and a significant chunk of the middle class very hard, since they would be forced off the roads. With a cherished few exceptions, American cities would need complete make-overs in order to support the kind of bus/rail systems that are taken fully for granted in Europe. (In Bonn, the subway and busses run so often, I don't even bother to look at a schedule, except on Sundays.) I fear the needed investment could not be accomplished by the revenue from the gas taxes alone.

So, yes, I would still love to see a massive gas tax implemented in the U.S., but only on the condition that huge extra monies are pumped into mass-transit.

The simple fact is that U.S. cities matured in the age of the automobile. European cities matured in the age of rail. Here, the infrastructure and the mentality supports it. In the U.S. it is still, most regretably, a utopian project. The best we can hope for is incremental raises in gas taxes and investment in mass transit, limitations of urban sprawl, and an auto registration tax which is pegged to the fuel consumption (in Germany--big cars pay bigger registration taxes). Alas, pigs don't fly.

End of rant.

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gasoline here in illinois is among the highest in the country @ $1.50 for 87 octane...americans complain about fuel costs, but we pay nothing compared to other countries.

one would counter that a bottle of Evian water costs more per gallon.
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one would counter that a bottle of Evian water costs more per gallon.
By a water filter and it is then less than a gallon of gas
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one would counter that a bottle of Evian water costs more per gallon.
yes, if you think of all the products you can buy (water, soda, alcohol, vinegar, milk, toothpaste, etc.)... how can gasoline -- which must processed in a complicated process from petroleum extracted from deep in the ground that must first be located be so much cheaper than all these other products and then transported long distances in special ways because it is highly flamable and toxic -- be so much cheaper?

and then consider how cheap it is w/o the taxes... and it becomes relatively clear how much gasoline and petroleum exploration, production and distribution is subsidized.
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Jamie, although i think there is little hope of any changes being done b/c of the political entrenchment of petroleum and auto in the US and Americans expectation of cheap gas (remember the complaining a few years back when gas rose to over $1.25 or so a gallon? -- what an outrage! gas was so expensive)

i personally think the following would be a good idea:
1) fully disclose to the public all the direct and indirect public tax dollars that go into providing "cheap gas", maybe even including our military operations to stabilize and keep prices low (in interest of the economy of course)
2) in an incremental plan over say 20 years, begin removing most of the subsidies for gasoline so that a true "free market" exists --- it currently DOES not
3) and replace these gasoline subsidies with expenditure on public transit or some type of low-cost transportation that "average" Americans could afford ---- and before someone goes off on the evils of "subsidization", please consider the huge expenditure for automobile facilities. although in politcal jargon this is termed "invested in a community and infrastructure and the economy" it is exactly the same thing: using public tax dollars to subsidize a transportation system

currently in the US, the automobile enjoys 3 major GOVERNMENT TAX subsidies: 1) those for cheap gasoline, 2) those for cheap (mostly free) roads, and 3) those for cheap or mostly free parking --- if you believe your gas tax and auto registration fees cover your direct public "costs" of using your own private car ---> sorry, you are wrong. then add to that your indirect and difficult to measure costs such as pollution, public safety, noise, etc.

what irks me so much about the US is that most people believe that capitalism and the free market should be allowed to "let the people decide" and are against government intervention and subsidies -- and in general within some guideline i pretty much support his philosophy -- but this is just not the case in relation to the automobile ---- to go on further, all the tax laws and government rules that PROMOTE sprawl (zoning, business minimum parking requirements, new housing infrastructure subsidization, etc.) so that people are "encouraged" by subsidies to live further from work or school
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$1.62 last fill-up for 92 octane in Vancouver, WA (near Portland, OR) Vancouver is the autocentric 50's throwback, sort of East Berlin to Portland's enlightened West. I'd say, the bad news is that a Subaru station wagon costs $21.00 to fill up--and the GOOD news is that a Subaru station wagon costs $21.00 to fill up!
The owners of Chevy Subdivisions and Ford Excretions must be paying double that at least. We burn as Saddam laughs, Osama chuckles. Today the car will do something my bike can't--take about 50 rotted fence boards and posts to the wood recycler; that's my treason for the day.
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Feldman,

pretty good desciption of Vancouver WA (not to be confused with progressive Vancouver BC)...

i can't believe they backed out of the North/South light rail a few years ago when it was Washingtonians who would have most benefit (about 2/3 of those in Vancouver cross the river into Portland every day for work)... and their utter lack of spending on schools is almost as bad as New Hampshire (or some southern states like Arkansas but i'm less qualified to say exactly - it may be Lousianna or Mississippi?)

too bad Portland is right on the state line so Vancouver doesn't fall under the jurisdiction of Metro...
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