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cedo 09-19-05 10:01 AM

Smoking and Family Biking
 
I saw a family of five riding bikes this weekend. Two kids on their own bikes, one adult carrying a third small kid in a rear seat. I thought, "Great to see a family out together enjoying a heathy activity." Then I noticed both parents were smoking cigs. In the tight pack the kids were breathing in the second-hand fumes. Huh?!

karmical 09-19-05 10:18 AM

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it can't be any worse than these parents were in the park one day... i think if you have to tell them then they will probably never quite understand...

Cadd 09-19-05 10:19 AM

Who cares? I see people smoke pot in their car while they're driving....I would be more concern about that.

karmical 09-19-05 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Cadd
Who cares? I see people smoke pot in their car while they're driving....I would be more concern about that.

thats not pot, they were probably the only ones there that weren't smoking pot...

steveknight 09-19-05 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Cadd
Who cares? I see people smoke pot in their car while they're driving....I would be more concern about that.

why so far as I know pot does not kill for the most part not like smoking does.

Cadd 09-19-05 12:01 PM

Steve, you missed my point. Pot may not kill like cigarettes, but pot gets you HIGH. I don't know about you, but I get worried when I see someone operating a 3,000lbs metal in the lane next to me when they're high. The last thing I need is an accident.

SpokesInMyPoop 09-19-05 12:05 PM

oh no, reefer madness!!!

you should be more concerned about drunk driving.

colinm 09-19-05 12:34 PM

No doubt.

But smoking around the kids, any fashion = bad, IMO.

Dang 09-19-05 04:41 PM

Back when I was a kid in the 60's my parents, grandparents, uncles aunts ect ect would all smoke in the car at the same time. That was before the term 2nd hand smoke was even thought of. I remember asking them to roll the window down all the time and was greatful if it was opened a crack during the winter. Hell, I was a pack a day kid before I even smoked my first cigarette when I was 13. (Cough....cough.)
But bicycling helped me quit. Its a terrible thing to get hooked on. Smoking that is. Its okay to get hooked on bicycling.

Placid Casual 09-19-05 05:04 PM

Personally, whenever I'm around children, I never do anything that I don't think children should do. Thus, when children are around, I don't drive, drink wine, vote, use a credit card, rent a car, apply for a full-time job, stay up late, or eat spicy food. Also, if there are any infants around and I have to relieve myself, I just pee in my pants.

Bekologist 09-19-05 05:17 PM

smokers need their exercise too! Those kids are used to their parents' 2nd hand smoke, heck, the nicotine probably put a little kick in their cadence.

steveknight 09-19-05 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Cadd
Steve, you missed my point. Pot may not kill like cigarettes, but pot gets you HIGH. I don't know about you, but I get worried when I see someone operating a 3,000lbs metal in the lane next to me when they're high. The last thing I need is an accident.

who knows but is it any less safe then talking on a cell phone?

CastIron 09-19-05 09:08 PM

I'm torn on this one. On the one hand the folks are doing good spending time with their kids (they might be great parents otherwise) in an active manner. 'Course smoking about the children in any fashion isn't a grand idea either. Good example with a bad example. Wonder if there's any research on that part of the equation?

BTW: The pot politics are totally asinine and not germain.

wabbit 09-19-05 09:30 PM

Also, they're outside... at least the kid isn't breathing it in.

I remember once seeing this stupid teenage slacker couple on bikes- he had the baby in one of those buggies, and was smoking a cigarette while riding the bike. She was sucking a lollipop. The guy looked like Beck, the girl looked like Alanis Morrisette. They were riding against the traffic, then cross the street at rush hour, in the middle of the street against the light, not even LOOKING! While pulling a baby in a trailer. What responsible parents! Amazingly enough, nothing happened- if I believed in god I'd say god was looking out for them... "the innocent walk with god" or whatever it is. But it was just dumb luck....

mike 09-19-05 10:59 PM

[QUOTE=Dang]Back when I was a kid in the 60's my parents, grandparents, uncles aunts ect ect would all smoke in the car at the same time. That was before the term 2nd hand smoke was even thought of. I remember asking them to roll the window down all the time and was greatful if it was opened a crack during the winter. Hell, I was a pack a day kid before I even smoked my first cigarette when I was 13. (Cough....cough.)
QUOTE]

We must be siblings. I had the same experience growing up. Both my parents smoked. I remember them rolling up the car windows and both my parents would light up. The inside of the car would be blue with thick choking smoke. We kids would gag and cover our faces with our clothes to breath and we would beg our parents to just crack the window a little to get some fresh air in. It was awful.

The forty somethings of today have the lowest number of smokers of any USA generation since 1920. However, the next several generations after them - especially people in their early twenties is a generation of smokers. So, get used to seeing more kids being exposed to second hand smoke as this generation starts having children over the next several years.

closetbiker 09-20-05 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Cadd
Steve, you missed my point. Pot may not kill like cigarettes, but pot gets you HIGH. I don't know about you, but I get worried when I see someone operating a 3,000lbs metal in the lane next to me when they're high. The last thing I need is an accident.

Yeah, this is one of my favorite misconceptions.

The UK was looking to beef up it's impaired driving laws and wanted to include pot in them, so the government funded some research by the Transport Research Laboratory to do a study and found pot smokers were more cautious and less likely to be involved in accidents while high.

The doped-up drivers were put through four weeks of tests on driving simulators to gauge reaction times and awareness. Instead of proving that drug-taking while driving increased the risk of accidents, researchers found that the mellowing effects of cannabis made drivers more cautious and so less likely to drive dangerously.

Although the cannabis affected reaction time in regular users, its effects appear to be substantially less dangerous than fatigue or drinking. Research by the Australian Drugs Foundation found that cannabis was the only drug tested that decreased the relative risk of having an accident.

Cadd 09-20-05 09:23 AM

I don't know man....I've been F'ed up pretty bad when I was younger. I don't know what would have happened if I was riding a bike or driving a car. It would be scary to imagine the trouble I would get myself and others into if I was riding or driving high.

closetbiker 09-20-05 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Cadd
I don't know man....I've been F'ed up pretty bad when I was younger. I don't know what would have happened if I was riding a bike or driving a car. It would be scary to imagine the trouble I would get myself and others into if I was riding or driving high.

Makes sense to me.

It's not that you're high, it's how that specific type of deviation of normality affects what you're doing.

Drinking is way worse, falling asleep is worse, reaching into the back seat to search for that tape is worse.

Just throwing blanket accusations based on unfounded assumtions doesn't help a problem.

Dang 09-20-05 06:01 PM

[QUOTE=mike]
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Originally Posted by Dang
Back when I was a kid in the 60's my parents, grandparents, uncles aunts ect ect would all smoke in the car at the same time. That was before the term 2nd hand smoke was even thought of. I remember asking them to roll the window down all the time and was greatful if it was opened a crack during the winter. Hell, I was a pack a day kid before I even smoked my first cigarette when I was 13. (Cough....cough.)
QUOTE]

We must be siblings. I had the same experience growing up. Both my parents smoked. I remember them rolling up the car windows and both my parents would light up. The inside of the car would be blue with thick choking smoke. We kids would gag and cover our faces with our clothes to breath and we would beg our parents to just crack the window a little to get some fresh air in. It was awful.

The forty somethings of today have the lowest number of smokers of any USA generation since 1920. However, the next several generations after them - especially people in their early twenties is a generation of smokers. So, get used to seeing more kids being exposed to second hand smoke as this generation starts having children over the next several years.

Scary! I have a brother who's a Mike.

wabbit 09-20-05 08:31 PM

I think the 40somethings of today are a lot of ex-smokers, because I remember everyone smoking in high school but we've all quit- most women quit when they get pregnant. But when we grew up, everyone smoked all over the place. Remember going to weddings when they'd have decanters of cigarettes in the middle of the table? And all the adults smoked around us and drank in front of us, we watched tv in the dark, didn't use seat belts- and LOOK HOW GREAT WE ALL TURNED OUT! LOL.

I remember that a lot of my older male relatives used to smoke cigars...either they all gave it up or have since died, and no one smokes anymore. To this day, whenever I smell cigars, I think of weddings and festive occasions. I've always liked cigar smell.

Lecterman 09-21-05 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cadd
Steve, you missed my point. Pot may not kill like cigarettes, but pot gets you HIGH. I don't know about you, but I get worried when I see someone operating a 3,000lbs metal in the lane next to me when they're high. The last thing I need is an accident.

"It's much safer to drive while high, than while drunk. If you get in a wreck while smoking pot, it's no big deal. You're only going 4 miles per hour!"

-Bill Hicks

boozergut 09-21-05 10:01 PM

[QUOTE=mike]
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Originally Posted by Dang
Back when I was a kid in the 60's my parents, grandparents, uncles aunts ect ect would all smoke in the car at the same time. That was before the term 2nd hand smoke was even thought of. I remember asking them to roll the window down all the time and was greatful if it was opened a crack during the winter. Hell, I was a pack a day kid before I even smoked my first cigarette when I was 13. (Cough....cough.)
QUOTE]

We must be siblings. I had the same experience growing up. Both my parents smoked. I remember them rolling up the car windows and both my parents would light up. The inside of the car would be blue with thick choking smoke. We kids would gag and cover our faces with our clothes to breath and we would beg our parents to just crack the window a little to get some fresh air in. It was awful.

The forty somethings of today have the lowest number of smokers of any USA generation since 1920. However, the next several generations after them - especially people in their early twenties is a generation of smokers. So, get used to seeing more kids being exposed to second hand smoke as this generation starts having children over the next several years.


Yep, that was me too. Dad sucking on Marlboro Reds with the windows rolled up tight. If you complained about being car sick he would yell "SIT UP AND LOOK OUT AND YOU WOULDN"T BE SICK" I'm one of those 40 somethings. Who's ready for another $1 per pack tax on cigs?

Don Cook 09-22-05 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by steveknight
why so far as I know pot does not kill for the most part not like smoking does.

Well, we're all now aware of what you don't know.

mike 09-22-05 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Don Cook

Originally Posted by steveknight "why so far as I know pot does not kill for the most part not like smoking does."


Well, we're all now aware of what you don't know.

Hee hee. Good one, Don. I too get tired of pot-heads touting the benefits of marijuana without looking around at their slack-jawed under-achieving dope mates. Pot does dull people, makes them slower and more dangerous on the road. The argument that pot is not as bad as alchohol, thus you can smoke dope and drive is assenine.

FXjohn 09-22-05 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SpokesInMyPoop
oh no, reefer madness!!!

you should be more concerned about drunk driving.

MUCH MORE CONCERNED


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