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What MPG do we get on our bikes?
I'd like to see a breakdown by type of bicycle.
Can someone...
Figure out the MPG of a 150lb, 6' bike rider going 10mph, 15mph and 20mph average, on a road bike and a mountain bike.
How would you do this?
Figure out how much energy in calories it takes to travel 15mph and then figure out how many calories are in a gallon of gasoline?
Or is it harder than that?
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Can someone...
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Figure out how much energy in calories it takes to travel 15mph and then figure out how many calories are in a gallon of gasoline?
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A gallon of gasoline probably has a lot fewer calories than a gallon of chocolate chip ice cream
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Originally Posted by Boudicca
A gallon of gasoline probably has a lot fewer calories than a gallon of chocolate chip ice cream
A gallon of gas has about 30,000 calories.
Basically, if you could drink gas, a gallon would give you enough energy (in theory) to ride about a 1000 miles.
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well then I suppose it depends on the brand of chocolate chip ice cream
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Energy in one gallon of gasoline: 28 399.6359 kilocalories / US gallon.
Sources:
https://www.uvi.edu/Physics/SCI3xxWeb...solineFAQ.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...on&btnG=Search
Calories expended by bicycle riders:
Racing bike, 20 mph: 30 kilocalories / mile = 947 miles per gallon equivalent
Racing bike, 15 mph: 20 kilocalories / mile = 1420 miles per gallon equivalent
Racing bike, 10 mph: 13 kilocalories / mile = 2185 miles per gallon equivalent
Mountain bike, 20 mph: 48 kilocalories / mile = 592 miles per gallon equivalent
Mountain bike, 15 mph: 31 kilocalories / mile = 916 miles per gallon equivalent
Mountain bike, 10 mph: 19 kilocalories / mile = 1495 miles per gallon equivalent
Sources:
https://www.kreuzotter.de/english/espeed.htm
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...on&btnG=Search
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Sources:
https://www.uvi.edu/Physics/SCI3xxWeb...solineFAQ.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...on&btnG=Search
Calories expended by bicycle riders:
Racing bike, 20 mph: 30 kilocalories / mile = 947 miles per gallon equivalent
Racing bike, 15 mph: 20 kilocalories / mile = 1420 miles per gallon equivalent
Racing bike, 10 mph: 13 kilocalories / mile = 2185 miles per gallon equivalent
Mountain bike, 20 mph: 48 kilocalories / mile = 592 miles per gallon equivalent
Mountain bike, 15 mph: 31 kilocalories / mile = 916 miles per gallon equivalent
Mountain bike, 10 mph: 19 kilocalories / mile = 1495 miles per gallon equivalent
Sources:
https://www.kreuzotter.de/english/espeed.htm
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...on&btnG=Search
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Chroot... good answer... but you missed the 1 hour deadline. Sorry -10 points.
So basically 1000 MPG... good enough.
So basically 1000 MPG... good enough.
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Originally Posted by jakemoffatt
I'd like to see a breakdown by type of bicycle.
Can someone...
Figure out the MPG of a 150lb, 6' bike rider going 10mph, 15mph and 20mph average, on a road bike and a mountain bike.
How would you do this?
Figure out how much energy in calories it takes to travel 15mph and then figure out how many calories are in a gallon of gasoline?
Or is it harder than that?
Show your work!
You have 1 hour.
Go!
Can someone...
Figure out the MPG of a 150lb, 6' bike rider going 10mph, 15mph and 20mph average, on a road bike and a mountain bike.
How would you do this?
Figure out how much energy in calories it takes to travel 15mph and then figure out how many calories are in a gallon of gasoline?
Or is it harder than that?
Show your work!
You have 1 hour.
Go!
Couple of things.
First, a "calorie" as is commonly used is usually refering to a "kilocalorie."
One "kilo-calorie" is the amount of energy required to raise the temperature of one liter of water by one degree celsius.
Not sure how relevant that is but if you think about trying to boil a liter of water (a quart being about 95% of a liter), let's say you start with the water at 15C, you have to raise it by 85 degrees C.
Gasoline has a lot more energy than, say, methanol but I've used a Trangia to boil a quart of water and it really doesn't take much fuel. That's to say, the small amount of fuel in the Trangia (if I just put enough in to boil the water) is about 85 kilo-calories.
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Of more relevance perhaps, here's a page I found last week when I was trying to figure out how many calories I'd burned on a 57km ride. (I'm 6'0" and 236lbs)
https://www.coolnurse.com/calories_burned.htm
There are other sites that actually let you specify weights, heights, body fat % etc which would produce more accurate results if you don't fit the criteria listed on the pre-made matrix.
I conservatively figured for that ride of about 3.5hours, 57km, I burned between 1500 and 1750 kcal as a bare minimum.
I'd have burned a gallon of fuel driving that in a car. I'd say the $1 Udon noodle bowl I ate for breakfast was a lot more "calorie economical" than the fuel! Those huge numbers figured by Chroot sound like they're in the ballpark.
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Thanks for the replies everyone (esp. Chroot, very nice breakdown!).
I was thinking about getting a shirt made that had the MPG I get on my bike on the back.
People could drive down the road and see 997 MPG and maybe it would get them thinking?
Thanks again,
Jake
I was thinking about getting a shirt made that had the MPG I get on my bike on the back.
People could drive down the road and see 997 MPG and maybe it would get them thinking?
Thanks again,
Jake
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Originally Posted by chroot
Energy in one gallon of gasoline: 28 399.6359 kilocalories / US gallon.
Sources:
https://www.uvi.edu/Physics/SCI3xxWeb...solineFAQ.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...on&btnG=Search
Calories expended by bicycle riders:
Racing bike, 20 mph: 30 kilocalories / mile = 947 miles per gallon equivalent
Racing bike, 15 mph: 20 kilocalories / mile = 1420 miles per gallon equivalent
Racing bike, 10 mph: 13 kilocalories / mile = 2185 miles per gallon equivalent
Mountain bike, 20 mph: 48 kilocalories / mile = 592 miles per gallon equivalent
Mountain bike, 15 mph: 31 kilocalories / mile = 916 miles per gallon equivalent
Mountain bike, 10 mph: 19 kilocalories / mile = 1495 miles per gallon equivalent
Sources:
https://www.kreuzotter.de/english/espeed.htm
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...on&btnG=Search
- Warren
Sources:
https://www.uvi.edu/Physics/SCI3xxWeb...solineFAQ.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...on&btnG=Search
Calories expended by bicycle riders:
Racing bike, 20 mph: 30 kilocalories / mile = 947 miles per gallon equivalent
Racing bike, 15 mph: 20 kilocalories / mile = 1420 miles per gallon equivalent
Racing bike, 10 mph: 13 kilocalories / mile = 2185 miles per gallon equivalent
Mountain bike, 20 mph: 48 kilocalories / mile = 592 miles per gallon equivalent
Mountain bike, 15 mph: 31 kilocalories / mile = 916 miles per gallon equivalent
Mountain bike, 10 mph: 19 kilocalories / mile = 1495 miles per gallon equivalent
Sources:
https://www.kreuzotter.de/english/espeed.htm
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...on&btnG=Search
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Originally Posted by Bikepacker67
Not even close!
A gallon of gas has about 30,000 calories.
Basically, if you could drink gas, a gallon would give you enough energy (in theory) to ride about a 1000 miles.
A gallon of gas has about 30,000 calories.
Basically, if you could drink gas, a gallon would give you enough energy (in theory) to ride about a 1000 miles.
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Originally Posted by cyccommute
Pretty close (for the gas not the ice cream). At 12 mph we burn around 45 Calories per mile (around 550 Cal/hr) giving a "gas mileage" of around 670 mpg. Or, in Jelly Donuts, around 2 per hour. Your car gets 120 per gallon. Bummer!
I like the idea of feeding my car jelly donuts more than drinking gasoline, even if it's not quite as efficient
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Originally Posted by Eatadonut
I like the idea of feeding my car jelly donuts more than drinking gasoline, even if it's not quite as efficient
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Originally Posted by chroot
Energy in one gallon of gasoline: 28 399.6359 kilocalories / US gallon.
Sources:
https://www.uvi.edu/Physics/SCI3xxWeb...solineFAQ.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...on&btnG=Search
Calories expended by bicycle riders:
Racing bike, 20 mph: 30 kilocalories / mile = 947 miles per gallon equivalent
Racing bike, 15 mph: 20 kilocalories / mile = 1420 miles per gallon equivalent
Racing bike, 10 mph: 13 kilocalories / mile = 2185 miles per gallon equivalent
Mountain bike, 20 mph: 48 kilocalories / mile = 592 miles per gallon equivalent
Mountain bike, 15 mph: 31 kilocalories / mile = 916 miles per gallon equivalent
Mountain bike, 10 mph: 19 kilocalories / mile = 1495 miles per gallon equivalent
Sources:
https://www.kreuzotter.de/english/espeed.htm
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...on&btnG=Search
- Warren
Sources:
https://www.uvi.edu/Physics/SCI3xxWeb...solineFAQ.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...on&btnG=Search
Calories expended by bicycle riders:
Racing bike, 20 mph: 30 kilocalories / mile = 947 miles per gallon equivalent
Racing bike, 15 mph: 20 kilocalories / mile = 1420 miles per gallon equivalent
Racing bike, 10 mph: 13 kilocalories / mile = 2185 miles per gallon equivalent
Mountain bike, 20 mph: 48 kilocalories / mile = 592 miles per gallon equivalent
Mountain bike, 15 mph: 31 kilocalories / mile = 916 miles per gallon equivalent
Mountain bike, 10 mph: 19 kilocalories / mile = 1495 miles per gallon equivalent
Sources:
https://www.kreuzotter.de/english/espeed.htm
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...on&btnG=Search
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Originally Posted by PenguinDeD
Damn mountain bikes always wasting fuel. The suv's of the biking world
Lets all go to our LBS and set mountain bikes on fire.
Lets all go to our LBS and set mountain bikes on fire.
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I dunno about you guys, but I don't think I can ride even ONE mile after drinking a gallon of gasoline. Maybe there's something wrong with me...
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Originally Posted by af895
Couple of things.
First, a "calorie" as is commonly used is usually refering to a "kilocalorie."
One "kilo-calorie" is the amount of energy required to raise the temperature of one liter of water by one degree celsius.
Not sure how relevant that is but if you think about trying to boil a liter of water (a quart being about 95% of a liter), let's say you start with the water at 15C, you have to raise it by 85 degrees C.
First, a "calorie" as is commonly used is usually refering to a "kilocalorie."
One "kilo-calorie" is the amount of energy required to raise the temperature of one liter of water by one degree celsius.
Not sure how relevant that is but if you think about trying to boil a liter of water (a quart being about 95% of a liter), let's say you start with the water at 15C, you have to raise it by 85 degrees C.
Originally Posted by af895
Of more relevance perhaps, here's a page I found last week when I was trying to figure out how many calories I'd burned on a 57km ride. (I'm 6'0" and 236lbs)
https://www.coolnurse.com/calories_burned.htm
There are other sites that actually let you specify weights, heights, body fat % etc which would produce more accurate results if you don't fit the criteria listed on the pre-made matrix.
I conservatively figured for that ride of about 3.5hours, 57km, I burned between 1500 and 1750 kcal as a bare minimum.
I'd have burned a gallon of fuel driving that in a car. I'd say the $1 Udon noodle bowl I ate for breakfast was a lot more "calorie economical" than the fuel! Those huge numbers figured by Chroot sound like they're in the ballpark.
NUTTY!
https://www.coolnurse.com/calories_burned.htm
There are other sites that actually let you specify weights, heights, body fat % etc which would produce more accurate results if you don't fit the criteria listed on the pre-made matrix.
I conservatively figured for that ride of about 3.5hours, 57km, I burned between 1500 and 1750 kcal as a bare minimum.
I'd have burned a gallon of fuel driving that in a car. I'd say the $1 Udon noodle bowl I ate for breakfast was a lot more "calorie economical" than the fuel! Those huge numbers figured by Chroot sound like they're in the ballpark.
NUTTY!
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Originally Posted by chroot
Energy in one gallon of gasoline: 28 399.6359 kilocalories / US gallon.
150 x .075 = 11.25 pounds
11.25 pounds x 3,500 kcals = 39,375 kcals / NoRacer
Once depleted, I'd need a couple McGriddles to top me off.
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Actually that's an exhaggeration, cyccommute. A LOT of waste heat is generated, true, but some of that energy (something like 30% I think) is converted into work (I.E. moving the piston in the engine, which is what actually gets you going on your trip to the local donut shop). And then some of that energy is reconverted to heat again when you brake.
You also have to consider that some fraction of that gallon isn't burned anyway, and is just wasted. That's the HC in your emissions, and why you have to change your oil so often.
Still a good point, but it isn't 100% waste heat.
You also have to consider that some fraction of that gallon isn't burned anyway, and is just wasted. That's the HC in your emissions, and why you have to change your oil so often.
Still a good point, but it isn't 100% waste heat.
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Originally Posted by Eggplant Jeff
Actually that's an exhaggeration, cyccommute. A LOT of waste heat is generated, true, but some of that energy (something like 30% I think) is converted into work (I.E. moving the piston in the engine, which is what actually gets you going on your trip to the local donut shop). And then some of that energy is reconverted to heat again when you brake.
You also have to consider that some fraction of that gallon isn't burned anyway, and is just wasted. That's the HC in your emissions, and why you have to change your oil so often.
Still a good point, but it isn't 100% waste heat.
You also have to consider that some fraction of that gallon isn't burned anyway, and is just wasted. That's the HC in your emissions, and why you have to change your oil so often.
Still a good point, but it isn't 100% waste heat.
As for the unburned hydrocarbons, the amount coming out of the tailpipe of modern vehicles is so small as to be insignificant. The unburned HC gets converted to heat in the catalytic converter. That very small fraction that doesn't can be oxidized further in the atmosphere which is a heat process also.
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Originally Posted by cyccommute
Therefore 1 gallon of gas will raise 1kg of water 30,000 C This of course couldn't happen but 1 gallon of gas will raise the temperature of 30,000 kg of water 1C (for the metrically challenged that's about 10,000 gallons of water raised around 2F). Multiply that 1 gallon of gas by millions and we are starting to talk about significant heat poured into our planet!
The US uses about 20 million barrels a day of petroleum, 47% of which is refined into gasoline. This amounts to about 9.5 million barrels a day of gasoline, about 400 million gallons a day, consumed almost entirely in automobiles. That's a volume of about two cubic football fields burned every day. Annually, the volume of gasoline consumed by US automobile engines is almost enough to bury an area the size of Washington, DC's National Mall, from the Lincoln Memorial to the Capitol Building, 300 yards deep in gasoline.
Now, automobiles are roughly 15% efficient, so nearly 85% of the 30,000 kilocalories in each gallon of gasoline ends up in our air and water. (Of course, when the motorist comes to a stop at his or her destination, even the kinetic energy of their automobile is converted back into heat. As has been mentioned in this thread, it's a reasonable approximation that virtually all of the energy used by an automobile is turned into waste heat. The amount of work required to move a person across a flat surface in an unchanging gravitational field is zero.) Enough energy is wasted every year by automobile engines to light a 100W light bulb for five billion years, longer than the Earth has even existed.
The world's oceans have a combined volume of about 1.4 billion cubic kilometers. Dumping all that wasted heat directly into that water would raise its temperature by only about 0.00074 degrees Celsius, less than a thousandth of a degree.
This doesn't sound like much, but consider that transportation only accounts for about 27% of our energy use, and automobile exhaust contributes about half of our carbon dioxide output to the atmosphere. This may be leading to an increased greenhouse effect, which over centuries may dramatically increase the temperature of our planet.
If there's any lesson to be learned, it's that people's minds are boggled by big numbers. Sure, 400 million gallons a day is a big number, but the 1.4 billion cubic kilometers of ocean watter is a lot bigger still. Automobile waste heat is certainly not a positive topic, but, in my opinion, its effect on our planet pales in comparison to that of automobile pollution, environmental damage caused by oil collection, and the political ramifications of billions of dollars wasted in lining the pockets of corporate execs and oil shieks.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oceans
https://www.eia.doe.gov/mer/pdf/pages/sec11_6.pdf
https://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/tw...ne.html#demand
https://www.eia.doe.gov/kids/energyfa...nitsindex.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City%2C_New_York
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Originally Posted by chroot
If there's any lesson to be learned, it's that people's minds are boggled by big numbers.
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Originally Posted by chroot
I'm curious about the real impact of heat exhausted by cars into the environment. Let's see how much the ocean's temperature rises each year due to waste heat from US gasoline consumption.
The US uses about 20 million barrels a day of petroleum, 47% of which is refined into gasoline. This amounts to about 9.5 million barrels a day of gasoline, about 400 million gallons a day, consumed almost entirely in automobiles. That's a volume of about two cubic football fields burned every day. Annually, the volume of gasoline consumed by US automobile engines is almost enough to bury an area the size of Washington, DC's National Mall, from the Lincoln Memorial to the Capitol Building, 300 yards deep in gasoline.
Now, automobiles are roughly 15% efficient, so nearly 85% of the 30,000 kilocalories in each gallon of gasoline ends up in our air and water. Enough energy is wasted every year by automobile engines to light a 100W light bulb for five billion years, longer than the Earth has even existed.
The US uses about 20 million barrels a day of petroleum, 47% of which is refined into gasoline. This amounts to about 9.5 million barrels a day of gasoline, about 400 million gallons a day, consumed almost entirely in automobiles. That's a volume of about two cubic football fields burned every day. Annually, the volume of gasoline consumed by US automobile engines is almost enough to bury an area the size of Washington, DC's National Mall, from the Lincoln Memorial to the Capitol Building, 300 yards deep in gasoline.
Now, automobiles are roughly 15% efficient, so nearly 85% of the 30,000 kilocalories in each gallon of gasoline ends up in our air and water. Enough energy is wasted every year by automobile engines to light a 100W light bulb for five billion years, longer than the Earth has even existed.
Originally Posted by chroot
The world's oceans have a combined volume of about 1.4 billion cubic kilometers. Dumping all that wasted heat directly into that water would raise its temperature by only about 0.00074 degrees Celsius, less than a thousandth of a degree.
This doesn't sound like much, but consider that transportation only accounts for about 27% of our energy use, and automobile exhaust contributes about half of our carbon dioxide output to the atmosphere. This may be leading to an increased greenhouse effect, which over centuries may dramatically increase the temperature of our planet.
This doesn't sound like much, but consider that transportation only accounts for about 27% of our energy use, and automobile exhaust contributes about half of our carbon dioxide output to the atmosphere. This may be leading to an increased greenhouse effect, which over centuries may dramatically increase the temperature of our planet.
Originally Posted by chroot
If there's any lesson to be learned, it's that people's minds are boggled by big numbers. Sure, 400 million gallons a day is a big number, but the 1.4 billion cubic kilometers of ocean watter is a lot bigger still. Automobile waste heat is certainly not a positive topic, but, in my opinion, its effect on our planet pales in comparison to that of automobile pollution, environmental damage caused by oil collection, and the political ramifications of billions of dollars wasted in lining the pockets of corporate execs and oil shieks.
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I should also mention that my body consumes about a hundred watts of power even when I'm just sitting around the house. That's the equivalent of about 2,000 gallons of gasoline over my expected lifespan of 76 years! It all pretty much gets turned into waste heat, too, since the total intellectual effort I'll exert over 76 years is energetically worthless. I'm such an energy hog, aren't I? I disgust myself.
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Originally Posted by chroot
I should also mention that my body consumes about a hundred watts of power even when I'm just sitting around the house. That's the equivalent of about 2,000 gallons of gasoline over my expected lifespan of 76 years! It all pretty much gets turned into waste heat, too, since the total intellectual effort I'll exert over 76 years is energetically worthless. I'm such an energy hog, aren't I? I disgust myself.
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Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
Stuart Black
Plan Epsilon Around Lake Michigan in the era of Covid
Old School…When It Wasn’t Ancient bikepacking
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
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yeah, cars are pretty inefficient, most of the heat generated by combustion goes into heating up the air with exhaust, very, very little of it gets converted into propelling the car down the road.
In dietary terms, calories are usually mistaken for kilocalories. It's often distinguished more correctly as a capitalized Calorie which is the same as a kilocalorie in lab terms.
cyccommute, we also have to account for heating effects of humans riding bikes as well. Body-heat being radiated off to the atmosphere is where the majority of food-stuff calories go. Also converting kinetic energy into heat under braking also occurs on bikes. I'd like to see someone do a PhD study on the effects of human flatulence on the environment and how biking affects that.
In dietary terms, calories are usually mistaken for kilocalories. It's often distinguished more correctly as a capitalized Calorie which is the same as a kilocalorie in lab terms.
cyccommute, we also have to account for heating effects of humans riding bikes as well. Body-heat being radiated off to the atmosphere is where the majority of food-stuff calories go. Also converting kinetic energy into heat under braking also occurs on bikes. I'd like to see someone do a PhD study on the effects of human flatulence on the environment and how biking affects that.