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    Clipless Pedals for Regular Shoes

    I'm looking to add clipless pedals to my hybrid, but I'd like to keep the option of doing 10-15 mile rides in regular shoes. I'm leaning towards an SPD system with off-road shoes, so that I can walk in them.

    I've seen suggestions to use Time ATAC pedals, instead of SPD. I rarely ride on anything other than pavement (maybe 30 feet on the dirt to avoid the pedestrians on the bike path, et cetera) and I keep my equipment pretty clean. I don't think the pedals getting mucked up will be much of an issue and I like the higher availability of SPD components.

    The Crank Brothers Mallet has also been suggested, but the engagement area seems to be too high for comfortable use with regular shoes.

    I also saw a suggestion for the Atomlab Quikstep, which seems like a good option except that it uses a proprietary cleat and costs $175.

    So, I guess I'm looking mostly at Shimano's PD-M424/545/647 series, and maybe their 324. The 324 has one side for cleats and one side for regular shoes, but I've heard mediocre things about it.

    So, on to the questions ... Anyone know how the 424 works with regular shoes? Are the 545 or 647 worth the extra cost? Should I give up the idea of using regular shoes?

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    Check these out. They work great with SPD, sneakers, street shoes. And they're $30.

    http://www.performancebike.com/shop/...e.cfm?SKU=2275
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    Let me add to the litany of mediocre things about the 324 / "one-side-regular, one-side-clipless" pedals

    Once I got used to clipless pedals (which only took a few rides), I had zero interest in riding anywhere without cleats, even 7-10 mile rides. I found that getting SPD shoes that let you walk around in them worked out much better. Plus, with the "Jekyll & Hyde" pedals, you need to pay much more attention to clipping in -- since you might put your unclipped shoe into the "regular" side of the pedal. Kinda sucks at an intersection.

    In other words, you're likely to outgrow the pedal in a few weeks. They'll still work fine, but you'll probably want a more standard clipless right away.

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    Thanks for your responses.


    Quote Originally Posted by Blackberry
    Check these out. They work great with SPD, sneakers, street shoes. And they're $30.
    Do you use these yourself? 'Cause I think this is the first endorsement I've seen for this type of pedal. They're very similar to the Shimano PD-M324, though considerably cheaper. Any idea how they compare?


    Quote Originally Posted by Bacciagalupe
    In other words, you're likely to outgrow the pedal in a few weeks.
    I'm definitely hoping to skip that part. I'd rather spend more money up front to get pedals I can stick with for a while. Sort of on that note, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to use carbon or titanium on my 7200 FX, but I'm not averse to paying a fair price for good equipment.
    Last edited by CummingsSM; 10-06-05 at 10:29 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bacciagalupe
    Once I got used to clipless pedals (which only took a few rides), I had zero interest in riding anywhere without cleats, even 7-10 mile rides. I found that getting SPD shoes that let you walk around in them worked out much better. Plus, with the "Jekyll & Hyde" pedals, you need to pay much more attention to clipping in -- since you might put your unclipped shoe into the "regular" side of the pedal. Kinda sucks at an intersection.

    In other words, you're likely to outgrow the pedal in a few weeks. They'll still work fine, but you'll probably want a more standard clipless right away.
    Not necessarily. I've got a similar (non-Performance) set, and have found that layout to be quite satisfactory. Intersections simply aren't a problem in my experience... if I place my shoe on the wrong side, so what? I can still pedal quite effectively on the platform side, and it only takes a few strokes to clear an intersection. Plus, it's not difficult to clip in at startup, once you get used to the arrangement.

    While I very much like clipless pedals, I've found that there are cases where they're simply more trouble than they're worth. Going downtown with my wife, for example, for an hour or two of walking/browsing/shopping. Or a three-mile trip to the grocery store. Even the mostly-walkable MTB style shoes are a pain in those cases.
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    I love my Simano M-324s. I have no trouble flipping them around to the side I want at the time. And the platform side grips so well that I often forget I'm not clipped in since my foot stays in place so well. I wear biking sandals with multi-direction cleats.

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    Thank you all for your comments. I have to admit that three endorsements of the Shimano PD-M324s was not quite what I expected.

    Nashbar has Shimano PD-M647s on sale for $80, so I ordered them from Performance (with a price match and a 20% coupon) which made them just a little more than half ($64) of MSRP ($115). I figure I can always return them (or sell them on eBay, for about what I paid), if they're worthless.

    I'll report back with my opinion of them as soon as they arrive.

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    I also have the M324's. I orignally got them as a first pair of clipless for my new road bike. I liked them so much I got another pair for my hybrid. A few months ago I got a new pair of shoes and found that the platform side of the M324 got in the way - apparently the recessed part of the new shoes was deeper than the old ones. I compromised by getting new pedals for the road bike and only use the new shoes on that bike. I use the hybrid for commuting and will make sure that my next pair of shoes can be used with the M324's! Overall I THINK I prefer the M324.

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    I am a returning biker having to get a bunch of new stuff and only so much money to spend. So my choice was to go Shimano PD-M324, knowing that I would eventually go clipless, but was not ready for it at the bikeís delivery. It was also what the LBS happened to have on hand. Which turned out OK, because I was able to log a lot of happy miles on the flat pedals of the 324's while saving up to get needed stuff. With forum members suggestions, I recently tried on a bunch of shoes and went for the Cannondale Roam shoes. They are designed to go with toe ciips and clipless, with a wedge of sole that removes to expose the area into which to attach the clipless cleat. Fit my feet great. They have a sneaker look and are not overly flashy at all. Comfortable to walk around in, even with the cleats attached. Right now, theyíre adjusted for a loose attachment when riding clipless and are quite easy to turn my heel out of. Looks like Iíll have a bunch of practice to do in a safe setting. Iíll try some falls and whatnot in order to get my act together to handle eventual situations. When I start to prefer clipless, I'll apply some colored tape to one of the pedal sides to make it clear which end is up, so to speak, to make it easier to clip into.

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    "I'll report back with my opinion of them as soon as they arrive."

    Please do so. I am a former sponsored adventure racer that ended up adapting to my new lifestyle buying a folder (long story short: Live in Orlando, study in Tampa, FL, drive to campus use the bike while there).

    Clipless pedals were my thing but now I am affraid I need the option for 2-3 mile rides, 3, 4 times a day from class to class. I am strongly considering the Performance Campus Pedal for 30 bucks, already got some feedback from the folding bikes forum users, but would be nice to hear more about them.

    Thank you,

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    Okay. Here's my post-purchase update.

    I got sent out on a business trip right after I ordered my pedals and shoes, so I just got back yesterday and threw them on my bike. I set the tension as low as it goes, to make them easy to get out of, until I get used to the locking mechanism, and then I tested them with my regular shoes (a pair of Vans skateboarding-style shoes with a honeycomb pattern on the sole) and with the new clipless shoes (Shimano M038s).

    The clipless mechanism on the PD-M647s is Shimano's "popup" design, so that it's easy to engage the cleat but it flattens somewhat when you put your foot on it. The mechanism is still too high for comfortable use with my regular shoes. The slick metal is pretty slippery. I think I'll be able to use it without risking injury, but I think the reversible pedals (like the PD-M324s) would be better if using regular shoes is really a requirement.

    I was in my flip-flops (soft soled) when I first put the pedals on, and they seemed to flex around the mechanism well enough to make firm contact with the cage, so maybe a pair of softer-soled shoes would work better than mine.

    That said, the PD-M647s are a nice pedal, though not so well suited to my original purpose. I'm pretty happy with the M038s, and I think I'll probably be using them more often than I expected to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafael Guerra
    Clipless pedals were my thing but now I am affraid I need the option for 2-3 mile rides, 3, 4 times a day from class to class. I am strongly considering the Performance Campus Pedal for 30 bucks, already got some feedback from the folding bikes forum users, but would be nice to hear more about them.
    My new PD-M647s would probably be okay for 2-3 mile rides, but I think the reversible pedal style is probably more versatile for regular use with non-cleated shoes.

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