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Old 10-09-05, 10:59 PM   #26
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Old 10-10-05, 04:18 AM   #27
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Fixed bikes require some athleticism to ride, esp to accelerate from a stop with a load. If you want a bike for local errands and just want to pootle along then gears are good and hub gears are better.
The Breezer bikes seem ideal for local use if that is all you want.
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Old 10-10-05, 11:04 AM   #28
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Another interesting post. I agree with the others posters that an older Raleigh 3-speed, Breezer, Mongoose or Bianchi Milano would be great choices for an around town bike. I was in a similar situation a few months ago and bought an older Raleigh 3-speed from the folks at OldRoads.com since I always wanted a Raleigh when I was a kid. You could also check-out having a bike made by the Worksman company in New York. They make a lot of heavy-duty bikes for factories etc and make a line of bikes for us regular folks; www.worksmancycles.com. The Bianchi Rollo is kind of a cartoonish bike; I, at 53, would look kinda silly riding on; then again you may not.
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Old 10-10-05, 11:16 AM   #29
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Whatever bike you go for, the biggest Wald basket on the front makes it into a stellar errands bike.

I go look for used 3 speeds if you're not bike snobby, or build up a bike around a nice wheelset to your specs, I've seen plenty of great city bikes cobbed togther with a rusted Schwinn frame on top of Nexus geared hubs and hub brakes.

It depends on where you are at in your bike styling I guess- new, used, funkytarian, or top of the line? There are many new commuter bikes from Trek, Koga Miyata, that have what you are looking for, but well used frame on top of a custom wheelset to your specs would be my choice.
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Get an MTB frame, have a wheel built up with an internally-geared hub, get an Xtracycle FreeRadical, and you've got a not-too-dorky looking bike. People don't tend to notice the FreeRadical being on the bike, so you won't look that nerdy.

Advantages: You can take home a week's worth of groceries in the bags on the bike, give someone a ride on the back deck, or carry a decent sized box on there.

http://www.xtracycle.com/
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Get an MTB frame, have a wheel built up with an internally-geared hub, get an Xtracycle FreeRadical, and you've got a not-too-dorky looking bike. People don't tend to notice the FreeRadical being on the bike, so you won't look that nerdy.

Advantages: You can take home a week's worth of groceries in the bags on the bike, give someone a ride on the back deck, or carry a decent sized box on there.

http://www.xtracycle.com/
Sorry, mate, but internal hub gears are NOT recommended for the Xtracycle for good reasons.
Internal hubs won't take the torque required to move a loaded xtracycle unless it's a Rolhoff ($$$$$)
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Old 10-10-05, 05:04 PM   #32
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The Electra Townie.....You can smoke your pipe and ride at the sametime.
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Old 10-10-05, 05:48 PM   #33
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Errands done often means the bike locked up in public often. Locking up would be a concern to me for any new bike. It's not so much that it might be stolen. It's that it will be messed up in some way by thieves attempting to steal it. That is shameful treatment for a new ride, regardless how much it cost.
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Old 10-10-05, 07:20 PM   #34
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Unconventional but emminently practical option: get a Dahon folding bike and don't lock it up: bring it inside whereever you go. (fits on the bottom tray of a lot of shopping carts...)

Dahon Roo P3 or Impulse P3 both have internally geared hubs. They also make fixed gear/single speed or derailleur models.

Other folders are available cheaper but not many are as widespread as Dahon.
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Old 10-11-05, 07:04 AM   #35
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Low budget: get a cruiser type bike with fenders and chainguard.
Medium budget: old British 3 speed
High budget: German or Dutch commuter bike, also Milano and Breezer

Look for used bikes.

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Don't forget to add some fenders to help you stay clean.
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The English 3-speed- or clone of- will live outdoors, never be stolen and ride just fine, up or down hills, with or without groceries. I think they look funky, too..............

Just as the unfashionable Honda 50 is the greatest and most influential motor cycle ever made, the old utility 3 speed is the finest example of cycle technology ever manufactured.

-and don't get me started on the cultural impact.............

If you never owned one, do yourself a favour;-) Hugely practical, cheap to run and easy to repair, versatile and characterful...........
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Old 10-11-05, 05:50 PM   #38
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This might be the definitive errand bike:

http://www.burley.com/products/commu...Runabout-7&i=1
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Sorry, mate, but internal hub gears are NOT recommended for the Xtracycle for good reasons.
Hmm. Xtracycle doesn't think so:
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An internal hub is no problem, and neither is a drum brake, though you may need to bend the retention arm of the hub to reach the Short Stay. Hardware stores sell rubber coated clamps for less than a dollar that you can use to secure the retention arm to the (larger-diameter) Short Stay. One caveat: for hilly terrain, our opinion is that an internal hub doesn't have enough range and a roller brake may not have enough stopping power for a loaded bike. For the flats, both are fine.
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I say a fixed gear bike with a 2-2.5:1 ratio (you don't need to go fast do you?) and basket panniers.
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Old 10-12-05, 02:09 PM   #41
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4) Not too dorky-looking.
Part of the appeal of these bikes is that they look unconventional -- "dorky" if you prefer. Why not revel in the geekiness? Buy a Pee-Wee Herman suit, wear a bow-tie and white dress shoes. Ride around town on the errands and dare to be different.
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The Bicycles I have fit your requirements to the "T" except for the dorky look. For me, my "funny looking" bicycles with their hidden features protect me from getting attack in my rather high crime, gang run neighborhood that I am forced to live in. Don't let looks sway you away from these bikes.
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Old 10-12-05, 10:33 PM   #43
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I ride an Electra for fun. We do some light shopping, or go for coffee on them. To me, their line of Townie bikes and beach cruisers are the perfect choice for short trips. Comfy, relatively cheap, but they still come with style points. My Jester came with fenders, and I added a rear rack. I'll order a basket for my wife, and we're set. Of course, they may have too much style for some people. We get as much attention on them as we do on our tandem.
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Cannondale 50-50

http://www.cannondale.com/bikes/06/C...del-6MRFF.html
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Raliegh Transit 3-spd. It's got fenders, chainguard and of course internal gearing. Might be a little hard to find, but darn near inpossible to kill.

Well, okay, I did find one dead against a fence during recycling week, but the chainguard has gone on to a new life as part of my Triumph. The paint just matched!

Actually, the Triumph is my every-day bike. One speed, coaster brakes and too battered to swipe. I can beat my sixteen year old son up hills on it, even when he's on my 18spd. It's the perfect shopping bike. I've got a large front basket and cheapo Raliegh saddlebags on her. With that set-up I can manage three 2 litre pop bottles, a gallon of milk and groceries. I know - I did it last night!
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How about a Jaguar Fat Bee?
I hear it's quite nice to ride, once you stopped paying attention to comments like; "you really should put that horse down".

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Hmm. Xtracycle doesn't think so:
Not to debate mate. Do you think that any company will tell you not to use this or that and take
the responsiblity when it fails?? So it is with hubs on xtracycles. Most folk's who've ridden a hub
bike have learned that you don't stand & stomp on the pedals unless you don't like your crotch.

That is the kind of torque that you need to apply to move the load an xtracycle can carry. The
fact that the gear reduction on a derailer bike is all external and 100% matched to the stress
with the chain engaging a very large area of the gears stand & stomp is safe to do on a well
kept bike. Sure, you can get away with it on a hub bike......for a while. Then the much smaller
internal gear tooth area beguns to wear and deflect leading to........stand & stomp........owwwwwww!!
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Not to debate mate. Do you think that any company will tell you not to use this or that and take the responsiblity when it fails?? So it is with hubs on xtracycles. Most folk's who've ridden a hub bike have learned that you don't stand & stomp on the pedals unless you don't like your crotch.

That is the kind of torque that you need to apply to move the load an xtracycle can carry. The fact that the gear reduction on a derailer bike is all external and 100% matched to the stress with the chain engaging a very large area of the gears stand & stomp is safe to do on a well kept bike. Sure, you can get away with it on a hub bike......for a while. Then the much smaller internal gear tooth area beguns to wear and deflect leading to........stand & stomp........owwwwwww!!
No worries! I'm always open to having my ignorances corrected. I'd not heard previously about geared hubs having this problem. Thanks for illuminating in a humorous way.

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Problems with internal hub gears happen like anything else. There are pros and cons to be considered and weighed for the performance of the bike and what if offers to it's rider's comfort and ability zone. I think that a utility short errand type of bicycle should be more simple in it's gearing/feature approuch and the simple hub gears or single speed is perfect for it.
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AJRoberts,

Bingo! Those Breezer bikes look perfect for me. Very clean lines and classy look, too! Now I just need to find out how much they cost... Thanks!!

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A Breezer Uptown 8 has an MSRP of $909. At least, that's what I paid for mine in January, 2006.

Some warnings: The Schimano Premium Nexus 8-speed transmission hub is exceptionally difficult to deal with as far as removal/replacement of the rear wheel for flats, tire changes, etc. A real pain. If I had known how much of pain before I bought the bike, it would have been a deal breaker. Also, the chainguard has a totally idiotic mounting arrangement on the front end; a metal plate goes around the crank hub and "ears" at the end of it screw into the plastic chainguard. Problem is that plate is just a press or friction fit, and the movement of the crank eventually works it loose, and when it does loosen, the interference with the chain is, at first, annoyingly noisy and gets progressively worse until it simply blocks the movement of the crank wheel. I had to have my chainguard removed by a bike shop, since the cranks had to be removed to eliminate that mounting plate.

Other than that, the Uptown 8 is a great bike, just far from perfect. Personally, I think that Nexus hub will be a high-maintenance item. I'd have much preferred a 24-speed derailleur system.
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