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    NOT a weight weenie Hunter's Avatar
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    Once again the enviro movement has begun a sytematic destruction of a samll community in America. Such as the Roadless Area Initiative which decimates entire communities by putting hudreds if not thousands out of work. This does the same. The end result is families with children get the "shaft." For some it is not as simple as find another job. For some it is what they know it is all they know. They have the freedom to choose their life and the way they live it. No one and I mean NO ONE, OR NO BODY, OR NO OFFICE, OR DIVISION, OR GOVERNING ENTITY SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THIS!!!!! However this is typical of what the green agenda does and will continue to do. This is not the first case and sadly it will not be the last. Designating thousands of acres to a bug, or fish and calling it a habitat deems it off limits. Even if you are a land owner your property can fall under a habitat, refuge, wetland, etc.. this is a travisty, and it must be exposed!


    Grief, fury assail governor
    04/13/01
    By Lee Juillerat


    Voices of anger and frustration deluged Gov. John Kitzhaber during a community meeting at the Klamath County Fairgrounds on Thursday.

    A crowd estimated at more than 6,000 jammed the fairgrounds, at first lining a driveway and waving signs echoing a familiar theme, "We want water."

    As Kitzhaber's motorcade drove through a gauntlet of testy protesters, many booed and hissed until breaking into an echoing chant, "Water, water."

    When Kitzhaber entered the fairgrounds event center, the building rattled with repeated cries of "We want water."

    Kitzhaber's opening remarks drew some derisive catcalls, prompting him to respond, "I want to continue, but if you want to yell you can do that, and we'll call it good."

    He then listened as a procession of speakers criticized and challenged him to make water available to Basin farmers and ranchers. Last Friday, the Bureau of Reclamation announced that Klamath Project irrigators will receive no water from Upper Klamath Lake this year because of requirements to protect coho salmon and two species of suckers. The shutdown is the largest in the agency's history.

    "I appreciate your anger and your frustrations," said Kitzhaber. "But at the end of this day that's not going to create the water that is desperately needed."

    The governor doused some of the crowd's hostility by agreeing that the Endangered Species Act should be changed, pledging to work for short- and long-term solutions, and emphasizing his belief that farming and ranching will continue despite the current crisis.

    "I don't think it's a question of fish being more important than people. They're not," said Kitzhaber. "I don't intend to stand by and see this community or the children in this community become extinct. I don't believe we are going to allow the agricultural community to collapse."

    Kitzhaber repeatedly said he believes the Endangered Species Act, enacted 28 years ago, needs to be changed to allow more opportunities for public comment and other modifications.

    "I believe the biggest problem with the Endangered Species Act ... is how the act is implemented," he said, noting he and other Western governors have attempted to enact changes. "It's got to be changed. It's got to be modified."

    He also insisted, "I don't think the issue is endangered species. I think the issue is do we have clear, healthy watersheds."

    He characterized water problems in the Klamath Basin as similar to those facing farmers and ranchers in other Western states. According to Kitzhaber, an "ongoing tension" has resulted because large portions of Oregon and other Western states are managed by federal agencies.

    Kitzhaber's comments were sandwiched between emotion-charged comments by a series of speakers, including farmers, townspeople, and several teenagers wondering whether they can expect to pursue careers in agriculture

    Lynan Baghott, who identified herself as the granddaughter of a rancher, businesswoman, alfalfa grower and mother, demanded, "I want you to look at our faces. I want you to look at my 9-year-old son and tell us why we cannot continue our lifestyle."

    Baghott drew thunderous ovation when she demanded, "If you're not going to help us, take off the proud rural symbol, those cowboy boots, because you don't deserve to wear them," referring to Kitzhaber's trademark boots.

    Marty Macy of Newell, who gave a rousing talk at a town hall
    meeting hosted by Sen. Gordon Smith last Saturday, drew applause when he told Kitzhaber, "The farming and ranching families are the very essence of what a family should be," and said of government, "It is not their charter to regulate and deny but, rather, to assist us in what we do."

    California State Sen. K. Maurice Johannessen, whose district includes far Northern California, tearfully bemoaned the decision to cut off water, declaring, "God help me, I wish we had put together the state of Jefferson."

    Johannessen's appearance prompted Klamath County Commissioner Steve West, who served as emcee session, to quip, "I hope (California) Gov. (Gray) Davis will hold a similar forum in Tulelake."

    Joan Smith, a Siskiyou County supervisor whose district includes the Tulelake Basin and Butte Valley, said those efforts are being made. She also reminded Kitzhaber, "This is not just an Oregon issue," adding, "I don't believe the Environmental Impact Statement was meant to shut down or decimate an entire community."

    Steve Lewis, a U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service official who signed a biological opinion calling for high water levels in Upper Klamath Lake to protect suckers, was blasted by Dick Carleton, who noted that Lewis is serving as commodore of the Klamath Yacht Club.

    Carleton said it is a conflict of interest for Lewis, who reportedly owns a deep-keeled yacht, to make decisions on water levels in Upper Klamath Lake.

    "Is he using this high lake level to keep his boat in the water?" Carleton said, drawing cheers and applause from the audience.

    A number of school-aged youth also spoke, including Cameron King, a Malin Elementary student, who said, "We would like to know how any fish could be more important than farmers or ranchers of this community."

    Kaycee Bair, a Henley Middle School student, struggled with emotion during a talk outlining how the water cutoffs will affect other people.

    Sen. Ron Wyden, who arrived at the fairgrounds after leaving his own town hall meeting at Oregon Institute of Technology, promised help from the region's lawmakers.

    "The Western delegation has to go at this non-stop until we have some immediate and long-term solution," Wyden said. "The single most important thing we have to do is get the decision making out of the Beltway in Washington, D.C."

    Wyden promised to "fast-track" a disaster relief program, pledging "to stay at this ... so we don't have to see painful rallies like this around the western United States."

    In his closing remarks Kitzhaber reiterated, "I appreciate the pain and the frustration and the anger in this room, and I can feel it."

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    riding a Pinarello Prince orguasch's Avatar
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    Hunter,
    Buddy You have to cool it, bad for the heart
    "Racso", the well oiled machine;)

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    Originally posted by Hunter
    In his closing remarks Kitzhaber reiterated, "I appreciate the pain and the frustration and the anger in this room, and I can feel it."
    I get it, Hunter. Those people's voices do count. We can't ignore them. People matter more than fish.

    I guess we were trying to protect ourselves by protecting the fish, but somehow forgot about people in the process! That is wrong. We should do something for people who are being affected, just like we would want them to do for us!

    :confused:

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    Yep! We sure do Pete! It is pretty bad when fish get to be first over people. It is this kind of evironmentalism that goes way to far. The thing is the ones who drafted this protection for the Salmon could care less they don't live there. As far as they are concerned the people can leave. Move into the city become dependent on waht it has to offer. It is sad. I understand Orguasch someone has to scream it.


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    Up in Newfoundland they put people before fish, and continued to "harvest" the dwindling stocks. The fish then dissapeared altogether, and the people are now jobless. In Europe we are doing exactly the same.


    Not a cycling topic, but if you want to live off natural wealth, you have to harvest the interest, not the capital. You cant go around using up nature like its free.

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    Well Michael that is the problem. The love of money comes first.

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    Hunter i am confused. First you say people and their jobs are more important. Now you say love of money come first. What we have to do is find a sustainable middle ground. But that will never happen because people on both sides get caught up in their emotions. That is the problem with most disagreements, people get caught up it the stupid John Wayne "all or nothing", "US" against "THEM" mentallity. Oh well what can we do it is the "American Way".

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    Originally posted by Spic-Mick
    Hunter i am confused. First you say people and their jobs are more important. Now you say love of money come first. What we have to do is find a sustainable middle ground. But that will never happen because people on both sides get caught up in their emotions. That is the problem with most disagreements, people get caught up it the stupid John Wayne "all or nothing", "US" against "THEM" mentallity. Oh well what can we do it is the "American Way".

    Spic-Mick
    I never said people and their jobs are more important. The other response was to what Michael W said. This was my opinion on the situation he presented. An understanding of my initial post is important.

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    Hunter, i`ve read your post earlier today, but i had no time to think about the issue.
    If the yachtclub needs the highwater level, let them pay for it!
    From the money you can finance waterresevoirs, so both men and fish are satisfied (maybe to simple for this difficult problem?)
    I don`t know how it feels to be cut of from the water, but i can imagine it`s pretty bad.
    Water is the source of life!, and i think that ALL species on this earth have the right to use it!!!

    Mark b.
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