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Old 01-11-06, 09:53 PM   #1
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Steroids: Pros and Cons? Should I try it?

MTV is running a documentary on steroid use as part of their 'True Life' series. It seems that sports medicine has advanced rapidly in the past decade, allowing an athelete the power to radically change his/her strength levels and physique.

A little history. I have never been able to gain much weight, and my metabolism is off the charts. I have been 150 pounds since I reached adulthood, but at 5'7 1/2, most people are shocked by how 'little' or 'thin' I am. I am pretty strong, but lifting weight just adds definition, not muscle mass.

Before the preaching starts, I have consulted with nutritionists, doctors, personal trainers, and a professional coach, when I briefly played on a semi-pro soccer team.

Seriously consider steroids. What's the big deal? Am I missing something here, or by not taking steroids, am I holding back my true, unlocked potential?

Please dicuss. I won't do anything until I read some live feedback, preferably from steroid users themselves. Thanks.
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Dont do it.

It's stupid. Eventually it is going to make more harm then it is good.

That stuff is not good, I have seen some bad things happen with stuff like.
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I heard it's not good, but that was 1985. If it wasn't safe now, then why are so many atheletes using it? (and getting paid big bucks to do so?)

I feel like the average public is being lied to.
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You are a " hard gainer ". You need to rest more, only work out one body part per week. Take in lots of protein and carbs + aminos and you should gain mass and even more strength... You should see 15+ lb in 6 months with a " hard gainer " style workout routine + proper nutrition.

Easy + no steroids.

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steroids = illegal. If you get caught with them, buying them, or similar, you could face jail time + fines + a criminal record for the rest of your life.....

Steroids are not worth it, + their effects wear off quickly and it can become a vicious cycle, not to mention the possiblity of an instant allergic reaction causing death.... yes... it happens..
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You are at a perfect height/weight, if you add weight do it the correct way by weight training to put on the muscle you want for core and specific activity. Steroids have many side effects that are bad, bad, bad! It is a quick fix, but there are trade offs that you don't want, like adrenal glad supression, which over time causes many emotional and stress problems.

Have a fitness trainer put you on a diet and lifting program to get you what you want, I know a few cyclist who are working HARD to get to your weight.
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One more pertinent piece of data: I am thirty-five years old, and have no wife/children.

I'm telling you guys, I have tried all sorts of things, but I have a freak metabolism. I only sleep a couple of hours a night, and coffee seems to relax me.

Jose Conseco(sp?) seems to be doing great, and he admits to using. I live in a huge sports mecca, so 'legalities' of use are not exactly first priority for the local police (who also use).

Just trying to find out the truth. I don't have an addictive personality at all. I even tried cocaine once (didn't like it, what was all the hype about?) in my twenties, and never craved/touched the stuff again.

I'm not a weak minded individual at all. Just want my body to be as strong as my brain, that's all.
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Cons... I can only think of cons...
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it makes your...um...equipment... smaller
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I read over both sides of the facts, on whether or not it's healthy or not. Some say that it's terrible and you should never use it. Others say that if you cycle properly and don't over do it, then you'll gain your muscle mass without hurting yourself. I know Men's Health had a series about it, never saying they were for it or against it. I think as of now, it's a toss up, anything used in moderation should, you would think, be alright. On the other hand, there has been tons of studies about it doing terrible damage but is that because they abused it? Huge ethics dilemma.
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Come on, guys...I know there has to be more than knee-jerk opinions out there.

I already grew up in the 80's with the attitude that if you took steroid, your balls would shrink, and you would grow breasts. But that was a long time ago? Isn't it time to enter the 21st century, with all of it's advancements? Women get plastic surgery every day, and you don't hear any guys complaining....

Silicone breasts have got to be way more dangerous than steroids. My 74 year old mother recieved a few injections for her bursitis last year, and she's doing great.

Am I missing something here? You mean out of over a thousand cyclists on this forum, no one has taken steroids? Please. What if it isn't discussed openly because it works?
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From your original post it sounds like you just want to look "better". So are you thinking of accepting the risks simply out of vanity?
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Am 5'7", 135 lbs 73 years old.
Have my share of medals/trophies. Never used steroids or 'enhancing' products.
Don't mess with it . . . let the other guy die first!
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My 74 year old mother recieved a few injections for her bursitis last year, and she's doing great.
That's a horribly flawed assumption. There are different types of steroids that do drastically different things. You think that Jason Giambi and Jerry Lewis are taking the same type of steroids? God no.

You're weight is fine. If you want to bulk up, do it naturally. It's a lot safer and you're not risking your health. If appearance is that much more important to you than health, than by all means take the risk and take the juice.
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Well, if you read the OP, I said "....radically change his/her strength levels and physique..."

What does that have to do with vanity? It's all about competition for me, and I know I can be stronger. Just weighing my options.

Why do steriods work for pro atheletes, and not for normal joes? Somebody's not saying something here. What do we really know?

Stop comparing steroids to a beauty product. That's not the topic of discussion here.
We are simply attempting to objectively weigh the benefits against the drawbacks.
This shouldn't be any different than if I asked for a comparison of a vegitarian diet vs. a meat-eating one. Sure, some eat for political reasons, but for the most part it comes down to what works best for your body.

Are we to say that athletic steroids don't work for anybody? That doesn't seem like an absolute, a priori, axiom.
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Umm....take it from a doctor and someone who's taken steroids before (for THERAPEUTIC reasons only)....

STEROIDS ARE NOT A BENIGN DRUG! THERE ARE MANY SIDE EFFECTS AND RISKS!!! You really think they'll radically change you? Yeah, they will, but when you stop taking them, you'll go into an Addisonian Crisis and you might DIE.

If you want to take something, avoid steroids. Take Growth Hormone injections instead. Good luck getting your hands on that, they're a sure-fire road to bankruptcy.
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Silicone breasts have got to be way more dangerous than steroids.
No. The silicone used in breast implants is selected to be biochemically inert (and rafts of studies have failed to contradict this). Steroids are some of the most biochemically active substances known.

I am not up on steroid research anymore, but I can say that when I did steroid research every sample came with a big red label that said "Possible Carcinogen." Of course, it's also true that some steroids that are used to treat cancer. Basically, there's a lot we don't know about steroids and their long term effects, so I'd be leary about them. From a safety standpoint, I'd want to get better information than you're likely to get on this forum no matter how well intentioned the comments are.

A quick google of current steroid health issues notes that

"Specific risks for guys include:

testicular shrinkage
pain when urinating
breast development
impotence (inability to get an erection)
sterility (inability to have children)
Steroids can also have serious psychological side effects. Some users become aggressive or combative, developing "roid rage" - extreme, uncontrolled bouts of anger caused by long-term steroid use."

I'd want to investigate the validity of these risks a long time before I shrunk my nuts, developed boobs and cried when I pee. I can't answer this for you 'cause I haven't independently studied this.

Finally, we're the same size and your description of your metabolism sounds eerily familiar. Your metabolism will slow down, for me it was when I hit 38-40. At 42, I have to drink Diet Coke, watch what I eat and cycle religiously just to keep from being a lard butt. I wish I could have that old freakish metabolism back.

My advice is this. Like me, you're short and slight. Bulking up now will only leave you a fat slob later. If you're concerned about your appearance (like most of us), dress like a European, which is a bit more elegant anyway.
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A little history. I have never been able to gain much weight, and my metabolism is off the charts. I have been 150 pounds since I reached adulthood, but at 5'7 1/2, most people are shocked by how 'little' or 'thin' I am. I am pretty strong, but lifting weight just adds definition, not muscle mass.
Isn't it amazing how the grass is greener on the other side of the fence? I'm 220 lb, I put on mass just thinking about lifting weights yet I always struggle with definition simply because I have the metabolism of a cold corpse I ride upto 4 hours a day to/from work, 10 - 15 hours a week of martial arts training, and ride century after century on the weekends, onli lift 2 or 3 times a week and yet I still look like a nightclub bouncer (minus the gut ) I wish I had your problem

If I were you I would look at the strengths that your physique presents you with rather than the weaknesses.... you can enjoy beer and pizza till you puke and you won't put on a fat gut! You could outclimb most cyclists with less training, i.e., you have the perfect build to develop an enviable strength-to-weight ratio, if you did martail arts I would be scared because of the speed/power ratio you could develop (look at Bruce Lee's physique) so many benefits without ever touching 'roids.

As for getting on the juice, I would really have a think about what you want to achieve, but more importantly why, then ask youself if your medium-long term physical and mental health are the price you're prepared to pay for short term gains. yes you'll get bigger & stronger just like a pro athelete but remember that they have great high-performance genetics to begin with plus they also have a limited professional career. They burn brightly but extinguish young..... I'd rather still be stomping out double-centuries with the 30-somethings when I'm 70+ and bounce my great-grandchildren on my knee, but that's just me.
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Does weight training effect your actual strength level? How strong you are is different than how bulky, if you keep getting stronger, I honestly don't see a need for steroids other than vanity, and some of us would literally kill to have your metabolism.
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truth about steriods ... they are junk that will make your junk fall off
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I read over both sides of the facts, on whether or not it's healthy or not. Some say that it's terrible and you should never use it. Others say that if you cycle properly and don't over do it, then you'll gain your muscle mass without hurting yourself. I know Men's Health had a series about it, never saying they were for it or against it. I think as of now, it's a toss up, anything used in moderation should, you would think, be alright. On the other hand, there has been tons of studies about it doing terrible damage but is that because they abused it? Huge ethics dilemma.
Heroin used in moderation should be alright.

Sports Illustrated on steroid use:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_...port/steroids/

And: http://www.hon.ch/News/HSN/523530.html
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Go for the 'roids. I say do direct injection for maximum effect. Balding, marble size nuts, heart disease, and some nice hormonal reactions - but that's ok, you can play with yourself since I dont know too many women that like sterile men that can't get it up.
I'm not kidding either, go ahead and do it. I would love an update on your condition in a year or two.
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Jose Conseco(sp?) seems to be doing great, and he admits to using. I live in a huge sports mecca, so 'legalities' of use are not exactly first priority for the local police (who also use).
Ask Lyle Alzado and Ken Caminiti about steroids. And ask a health professional about steroids.
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Seriously consider steroids. What's the big deal? Am I missing something here, or by not taking steroids, am I holding back my true, unlocked potential?

Please dicuss. I won't do anything until I read some live feedback, preferably from steroid users themselves. Thanks.
Well, HRT for post-menopausal women is to supplement the body's natural hormone levels and emulate pre-menopause conditions. Anabolic steriods for bodybuilding on the other hand, takes natural hormone levels and skews them off the charts in one direction. Big difference.


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A little history. I have never been able to gain much weight, and my metabolism is off the charts. I have been 150 pounds since I reached adulthood, but at 5'7 1/2, most people are shocked by how 'little' or 'thin' I am. I am pretty strong, but lifting weight just adds definition, not muscle mass.
Sounds like you want to consult a pro and get a training program in order. Lay off the reps and pile on the weights, 1-3 rep sets...
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