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Old 02-16-06, 11:48 AM   #1
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Police warn cyclists of IPOD usage.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/nation...890771660.html

Common sense but...
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Sad but true. Avoidable because it so damn bloody easy to
mount a set of mini speakers on your handle bars.

Yet, everytime this subject comes up the youthful and the
foolish here will fly to the defense of being able to shut
off their hearing while riding because anything else ......
ain't cool lookin'
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Old 02-16-06, 12:05 PM   #3
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yep - no brainer. considering that people have trouble even walking down the sidewalk with ipods on, it's no wonder they would be a danger to themselves on a bike with an ipod. when i see someone who is completely oblivious because of headphones or a cell phone, i'll make sure that i buzz them a little when i ride by. yes, i'm a jerk.
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The whole article is a load of crap.
It talks about 'removing a sense' and 'being unable to hear anything around you'.

Thats like saying you cant ride at night even with a headlight because your completly blind when the sun isnt overhead. Or that you become completly invisible to drivers if it rains so dont ride in the rain, ever.

Someone gets run over, friends who dont cycle try to find and place blame. They blame her ipod. How bout blaming the person that ran her over?
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Typical baseless speculation. Again it is not if you use it but how you use it. I can hear twice what a person in a car with windows rolled up and the stereo blaring can. Also I would not classify myself as young, not old either though. 35. Again, who here has actually tried listening to quiet music while riding for more than 3 or 4 times who trash talks it?

There I am done with my dissent. Feel free to chest thump among yourselves now and put me down and call me senseless if you so desire.
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Again, who here has actually tried listening to quiet music while riding for more than 3 or 4 times who trash talks it?
i don't understand this sentence... what are you trying to say?
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i don't understand this sentence... what are you trying to say?
What I am trying to say is that the world is full of people with little to zero experience using headphones while cycling who poopoo it and say it is bad. If I listened to all the people who say cycling on roads is dangerous who have never themselves done it then I would be terrified of riding on the road at all. It seems almost all the people for wearing headphones have some experience and nearly all the ones against have nothing to base their fears on but speculation and the claim of "Common Sense". Most people I know would say riding on the road is not "Common Sense" so apparently we need to define "Common Sense" which does not appear to be so common after all..
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"Common Sense" combined with a volume control, and a grade 2 education should be able to find a way to ride, listen to music AND hear traffic.

Unfortunatly we get too many people who cant actually figure out that hearing is not on/off. Instead they make comments like.....

"Yet, everytime this subject comes up the youthful and the
foolish here will fly to the defense of being able to shut
off their hearing
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My Goodness it didn't take the foolhardy long to jump
all over this thread to discount the obvious........
You can't hear as well with something stuck in your
ears.

Do you think for split second that motorcylist would ride
with headphones on?? Do you think a cop wouldn't give
such a foolist motorcyclist a ticket for wearing headphones??
Why do you think that motorcycles have extensive sound
systems IN THE DASH OF THE FAIRING?? Gee, can you imagin
that??

And yes I know that motorcyclist might wear a intercom on ONE
ear.
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Do you think for split second....
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Personally, I would opt to leave the ipod at home before I go for a ride.
I find that even the wind in the trees interferes with my hearing approaching trafic, but then I don't know of any law that says you can't ride in windy conditions.
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There was a class-action lawsuit from a man who claimed the iPod's volume level, 120db I think, can cause hearing loss. I would assume that the typical iPod user will keep the volume turned on pretty high. At that level, I don't think one could hear traffic.
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I keep the volume low. I can still hear the music AND the traffic. No problem.
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As a pilot study, I did a couple of rides last month with the Ipod one. Road rides in traffic.

The combination of wind noise and cars screaming by left me unable to even tell what song was playing at the volume I usually listen to it at. I could hear the stereo in the car next to me better than my own music.

I did not increase the volume much as I was afraid of defeaning myself.

I gave up on the idea.
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The whole reason I don't wear headphones when I ride is I want to come home alive. Think about it, when someone's in a car, they're not exactly looking out for you. You have to be able to hear stuff, even an idling engine. Just come home, crack a beer, and pound the tunes!
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i feel safe listening while riding loops in the park - which is closed to traffic when i ride.
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If we were really hardcore about hearing everything for safety, wouldn't we all be wearing ear fairings or something?

Unless I have a strong tailwind or are climbing all I can usually hear is wind noise. By the I can hear a car I can usually see it beside me.

Like I said I'm not going to be an I-poder on my bike, but I can never hear much of relevance anyway.


And people yelling 'get of the road' is not relevant.
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When i listen to music it does diminish my hearing some. So i can hear that car behind me at 500 ft instead of at 650 ft. When it passes me it sounds the exact same. Whether its going to hit me or not is unable to be determined in either situation.

""I would assume that the typical iPod user will keep the volume turned on pretty high. At that level, I don't think one could hear traffic.""

You have every user in all these threads saying they CAN hear traffic. So why would you ASSUME they play it at a level where they cant hear traffic?

People drive cars with the windows closed, diminished hearing.
People drive cars with the windows closed and radio on, even more diminished hearing.
People ride bikes in the road with traffic, increased problems.
People ride bikes at night, diminished vision.
People ride bikes in the winter with earmuffs on., diminished hearing.
Peopel ride bikes in the winter on the road in the rain at night. Diminished everything.

No one has a problem with any of that, but suddenly diminishing ones hearing by 10-15% is suddenly going to cause them all to die.....
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Unless I have a strong tailwind or are climbing all I can usually hear is wind noise. By the I can hear a car I can usually see it beside me.
have you had a hearing test recently? you might actually have limited hearing. i, for one, can hear automobiles coming up behind me a couple thousand feet away even in heavy wind.
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have you had a hearing test recently? you might actually have limited hearing. i, for one, can hear automobiles coming up behind me a couple thousand feet away even in heavy wind.
I have great hearing and it completely depends on the automobile. Some generate almost no noise as they slice through the wind and some are audible at half a mile. I will go as far to say there are situations which would not warrant headphone use but I think the article is way over the top on it. Some people are not affected by it, some are. If we all drove cars at max speed we might see officers making statements like no one should drive anything but a yugo since they are just too dangerous.

Anyway, I have thousands of commuting miles in with earphones in and find I have actually had less close calls. This is probably due to the fact that my last close call was related to cycling while tired which appears to me to be more of a hazard but no laws against that are there?

Can I hear my music while the cars are roaring right next to me? Not really, can I during the long breaks between packs of cars? Yeah.
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I keep the volume low. I can still hear the music AND the traffic. No problem.
what he said... plus add to it.. that i can actually have conversations while mine is on.. cuz i don't BLARE it!
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I have tried listening to music/radio while riding. I did it for several months. I quit after a close call which I attributed either to distraction of paying attention to the music or an inability to hear well enough. I remain unsure which it actually was. There was no accident or injury involved. It was sufficient warning.

I feel as though I have a better chance at avoiding problems by not having distractions in my ear. But then again, I am also cautious enough to wear a rearview mirror, use lights and reflectors, a helmet and gloves and a reflective belt. These are my choices. With the occasional exception of young children I encounter, I take no notice, nor is it any of my concern, what others wear or how they operate their bikes unless asked. And, believe it or not, I really don't concern myself with what others think of my riding habits, equipment or garb.
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Oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not another ride with headphones post!

The way I see it, wearing headphones while riding is just another method of natural selection. Chances are that the people wearing them are young and hopefully have not had the chance to procreate.
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Oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not another ride with headphones post!

The way I see it, wearing headphones while riding is just another method of natural selection. Chances are that the people wearing them are young and hopefully have not had the chance to procreate.



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It's not just the loss of hearing, but also the distraction of having music pumped directly into your ear, overtaking other senses.

There is a reason people don't study in loud bars, they get distracted from the task at hand by the noise.
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