Advertise on Bikeforums.net



User Tag List

Results 1 to 11 of 11
  1. #1
    Newbie
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Posts
    3
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Ultegra or 600 - Did I Get "Swapped"?

    Forgive me if this has been answered before. This is my first post and I registered only after failing to find my answer via Search.

    I bought a Raleigh R-700 in mid-97. I rode it a lot the first few years, then moved with a new job in 2000. The bike hung in the garage since the move, but I wanted to start riding it again. When I took it in for servicing, the tech noticed a crack in the frame. Since I was the original owner and had the original receipt, Raleigh was obligated to replace the frame. I didn’t notice until a week later that the component set was Shimano 600. I SWEAR I had Shimano Ultegra on the bike before. I took it back to the Raleigh dealer and he said he swapped the parts directly over to the new frame.

    Am I losing my memory, or did the dealer “accidentally” pick up the wrong component set and put into the new frame? And even if the components did not come off the original bike, are the component sets close enough in quality, durability, etc., that I shouldn’t worry about it? Thanks.

  2. #2
    Unique Vintage Steel cuda2k's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Allen, TX
    My Bikes
    Kirk Frameworks JKS-C, Serotta Nova, Gazelle AB-Frame, Fuji Team Issue, Schwinn Crosscut, All-City Space Horse
    Posts
    11,487
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Generally Ultegra = 600. Shimano dropped the 600 designation off the name at some point, but not entirely sure what year that was. Are there any parts marked Ultegra? Also - what parts are marked 600?
    [CENTER][URL="http://VeloBase.com"][IMG]http://velobase.com/App_Themes/VeloBase2_blue/Images/VeloBase2TitleCampagnolo.jpg[/IMG][/URL][/CENTER]
    [CENTER][URL="http://JonPFischer.com"][COLOR="#006400"]Fischer Photography[/COLOR][/URL] - [URL="http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php/785462-My-new-modern-quot-Classic-quot-Kirk-JKS-Classic-Terraplane"][COLOR="#8b0000"]Kirk Frameworks JKS-Classic Build Thread[/COLOR][/URL][/CENTER]

  3. #3
    Banned. Mr. Beanz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Upland Ca
    My Bikes
    Lemond Chambery/Cannondale R-900/Trek 8000 MTB/Burley Duet tandem
    Posts
    20,031
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    My Canni is an original '97! Itwas all 600. Calipers dark gray say Shimano 600. Shifters said 600 and crank says Shimano 600.

    600 is Ultegra. My bike was original 97 but after riding for one mile, I noticed the bb was loose. Took it back into the store,rookie mechanic crunched the frame in the stand set to steel tubes! Poof, New 98 frame. 600 components!

  4. #4
    Senior Member Stubacca's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    Oztraylya
    My Bikes
    '03 Fuji Roubaix Pro; '03 KleinGi Attitude; '06 Soma Rush; '04 Surly Cross-Check; '06 Soma Rush; '07 Scott CR1 / Chorus
    Posts
    2,677
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I think it was for 1998 that Shimano dropped the 600 designation and just went with Ultegra. Could be out by a year...

  5. #5
    Newbie
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Posts
    3
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Hmmm... perhaps the literature about my bike said Ultegra, but the bike was built out with 600 and I simply failed to recognize that? Six years could make things a little fuzzy, I suppose.

    What I saw with the 600 designation was the crankset, front and back derailleurs and the brakes.

    Thanks for all your feedback. 'Sounds like I might owe a dealer an apology. At least I approached them with a low-key "I think a mistake might have been made" versus accusing them of ripping me off. Perhaps I was right - but the mistake was MINE...

  6. #6
    The Red Lantern Rev.Chuck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    Raleigh NC
    Posts
    5,967
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    The odds of a shop having a complete slightly used 600 group to replace your complete slightly used Ultegra group are nearer zero than getting struck by lightening. The odds that they would "exchange" the parts are even lower. The 600 stuff has a higher cool factor than Ultegra, I can't see going thru the effort and potential fraud to get stuff with less value(percieved not actual value)
    Are you a registered member? Why not? click here to register. Its free, and only takes 27 seconds!
    Help out the forums, abide by our community guidelines.

    I am in the woods and I have gone crazy.

  7. #7
    Unique Vintage Steel cuda2k's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Allen, TX
    My Bikes
    Kirk Frameworks JKS-C, Serotta Nova, Gazelle AB-Frame, Fuji Team Issue, Schwinn Crosscut, All-City Space Horse
    Posts
    11,487
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Rev.Chuck
    The odds of a shop having a complete slightly used 600 group to replace your complete slightly used Ultegra group are nearer zero than getting struck by lightening. The odds that they would "exchange" the parts are even lower. The 600 stuff has a higher cool factor than Ultegra, I can't see going thru the effort and potential fraud to get stuff with less value(percieved not actual value)
    This is a very good point. And yes - always good to approach your LBS with at least some tact when not completely certain. It makes eating that humble pie later a lot easier.
    [CENTER][URL="http://VeloBase.com"][IMG]http://velobase.com/App_Themes/VeloBase2_blue/Images/VeloBase2TitleCampagnolo.jpg[/IMG][/URL][/CENTER]
    [CENTER][URL="http://JonPFischer.com"][COLOR="#006400"]Fischer Photography[/COLOR][/URL] - [URL="http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php/785462-My-new-modern-quot-Classic-quot-Kirk-JKS-Classic-Terraplane"][COLOR="#8b0000"]Kirk Frameworks JKS-Classic Build Thread[/COLOR][/URL][/CENTER]

  8. #8
    Cycle Year Round CB HI's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Honolulu, HI
    Posts
    11,420
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Rev.Chuck
    ... stuff with less value(percieved not actual value)
    Don't know about that, my 600 eight speed shifted smoother than the Ultegra nine speed.

  9. #9
    Newbie
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Posts
    3
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Have I ever learned A LOT since yesterday! I really appreciate the feedback y'all have given.

    And BTW, my mea culpa with the bike shop went very well. They were quite understanding.

  10. #10
    Senior Member Nermal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Farmington, NM
    My Bikes
    Giant Cypress SX
    Posts
    1,883
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    You went back and admitted the error, Tulsa. That's great.
    Some people are like a Slinky ... not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you shove them down the stairs.

  11. #11
    cab horn
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Toronto
    My Bikes
    1987 Bianchi Campione
    Posts
    28,295
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Excellent handling of the situation.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •