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Old 03-20-06, 09:47 PM   #1
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Which Specialized Armadillo Tyre?

I'm looking for an armadillo tire: size approximately 700 x 28.
It seems like there are at least a few on the specialized website that look good.

http://www.specialized.com/bc/ibeCSrdSrchResults.jsp

Do you all like the
Nimbus Armadillo 700c Tire ($35) or

All Condition Armadillo Tire($35) ?

Do they come in folding vs non folding? Which do you guys like?
Thanks for your input.
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Old 03-20-06, 11:20 PM   #2
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I always found it difficult to figure out what the real differences are with their tires sometimes, but I do like the Armadillos for dealing with flats. I've used the Armadillo Turbo Sport (not made now but I suspect the "All Condition" model might be closest to it.

I'm also ridden on:

Hutchinson Carbon Comp (nice, like, seemed fast, cut and get flats easily)

Conti Four Season

Conti GP3000

Conti Ultra-Gatorskins

I've had the most success with the Armadillos (the ultra-gatorskins come in second). But no tire is bombproof. For example, I had an armadillo tire get sliced like someone took an extremely sharp scaple to it. Ruined the tire instantly. But in over 26,000 miles of riding, I've never had anything like that happen other than that one time.

Unfortunately, the Armadillo I had before were also very heavy. But they recently came out with a new model - the Armadillo Elite ($45) which I think comes in at 255 grams. Not light, but not super heavy either. I think they only come in 700x23 though (folding).

These are what I'm riding now and I'm very pleased. I have about 2150 miles on them and only had one flat. That was in the front from a nail which would have gone through anything. Usually my flats are in the rear as I guess is the case with most people. I've heard various theories. One is that the front wheel may short of flip a sharp object up just in time for the rear tire to hit it, but I think it comes from two reasons - more weight on the rear plus the fact that when you suddenly find yourself riding through some scattered glass, you have a good chance of steering the front wheel safely through the pieces, but not the rear wheel.

Anyway, I'm normally doing well to get a thousand miles on a rear tire before the first flat. These have gone more than double that and the old record (1700 miles) was on the old Turbo Sport Armadillos.
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To be honest, I've never even considered that there may different Armadillo tires (other than size). I've always just gone to the LBS and asked for an Armadillo in whatever size. I've been riding 700x28's at 120 lbs for quite a while now, and they have been just fine for my 6'3" 275 lb Clydesdale bod. They're about as flat-proof as I have found, and I have no complaints about how they handle. I may try Rivendell Ruffy-Tuffy's next go-round, not because I am at all dissatisfied with the Armadillos but to see if there is something even better available.
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I'm not sure of the differences either... I think they're both going to be good tires. by the way... I've got some for sale(i know, another shameless plug).
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Glad to hear someone else has the Armadillo Elite's too. I have been using the all conditions 700/23 front and 700/25 on the rear all last year, not one flat, but they ride harsh. I gladly give up the comfort for no flats. The price at 35 harsh too. I went with the Elites and really didn't want to spend the 45 on them but now I am glad I did...lightweight, no flats yet, and ride smother although not as good as a regular road tire.

I might also bring up another option for you, I bought a set a Bontrager Hardcase Elites 700/32 for my cross and these are supposed to have the same protection as the Armadillos, but they ride really smooth and are lighter than the all conditions...also price is 30..so far been putting them through the paces and no flats yet, so they are looking good
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RCF,
Is it just me or do the Elites look larger than a normal 700/23 tire...I have mine on my new wheelset and they really look big for some reason...don't know why maybe the new rims..
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Is it just me or do the Elites look larger than a normal 700/23 tire...I have mine on my new wheelset and they really look big for some reason...don't know why maybe the new rims..
I never realy noticed anything like that about them. Do you mean bigger as in wider or as in deeper so as to create a a bigger diameter?
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I am looking at them now, I really just can't explain it well.

It looks like there are 32c's on the rim instead of 23c's...oh well just my mind acting up...other than that I really like them, hope they will hold up to the all conditions
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I am looking at them now, I really just can't explain it well.

It looks like there are 32c's on the rim instead of 23c's...oh well just my mind acting up...other than that I really like them, hope they will hold up to the all conditions
Never had that 32c's so I can't compare that. But I think you will find they do well. I've only had this one set of Elite's and I am well aware that sometimes you just get lucky and other times you just have bad luck, but I have enough trash on the roads here that I can't expect as much "luck" as I've had with them so far.

The fact that the one flat was a nail is actually good because normally, if I can find the cause of a flat, it is almost always glass so if I can avoid those, I'm real happy. I think I've only had two flats in 26,000 miles that were from nails.
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Great tires for me and my "trashey", roads. I replaced many tires due to cuts from glass. 2,000 miles on my set and no flats. They do ride harsh on our chip and seal roads. But I'm riding, and not on the side of the road, repairing flats. My 700x25's are large, at least equal to a 700x28. I could not install the 28's, so you may want to check the width. One more thing, you can install them by hand if you use a little talc at the rim and edge of the tire, as it gets tight.
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