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Old 03-25-06, 06:56 PM   #1
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Quick, need input on Schwinn "World Tourist" if you've had/seen one.

I'm going tomorrow to check out a old Schwinn World Tourist. If I like it I'm going to get it as a new project bike (maybe a new commuter). Anyone had/seen one? What did you think? There doesn't seem to be much out there on the internet about them, I got the impression from one or two sites that it's one of their higher-end touring models?

Don't know the age, except the guy got it "back when he lived at <old location>" from his dad. So it's not a new model.

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sure its "tourist" and not "tour"? I had a world tour back in 1987 when I was 17yo. I loved the bike....of course it was my only means of transportation back then..lol
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I have one that just says 'WORLD' on it and I had a very hard time
finding anything about it on the web. Its black with gold pinstriping
on the lugs. After alot of searching I came to believe it was an '82,
Giant made Schwinn like a lot of thier lower / medium bikes were back then.
Mine is nice but with cottered cranks Im not sure if its a top-of-the-liner.
Heavy too !! But, as a nice lugged commuter I think you would be very
happy with it. On the left (I think ??) drop out there should be a serial#
stamped that will give you insight as to what it is if it is an early one.
Ie : 'G x x x x x 83' would indicate built by Giant in 1983.
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100% certain. It says "World Tourist" on the top tube.

It has "1213" stamped on the front "Schwinn" nameplate.

"G0183" on the RIGHT dropout (that's supposed to be on the LEFT from what I've seen on a few websites)
"2148408" on the LEFT dropout, plus a sticker that has a handwritten "1213" and "Schw App" and "Giant" on it.

If you know how to interpret those numbers, let me know. Otherwise I'll post back here with anything I find.
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OK nevermind what I said about the G0183 should be on the left, the right side is the correct location.

"G" means built by Giant for Schwinn (like the sticker didn't tell me that already).
According to some posts on the "Schwinn Forums" (www.schwinnbike.com), the 01 is supposed to be the MONTH and the 83 the YEAR. That would indicate it was built in January 1983.

However, the 1213 on the sticker and stamped into the headbadge is supposed to indicate DAY 121 of YEAR X3. The X3 correlates, but day 121 is May 1st.

The only thing I can think of is maybe the frame was manufactured in January and the bike wasn't assembled until May?

Oh well it isn't like I'm going to have birthday parties for it. At least now I know it's about 23 years old.

OK so yeah I bought it .

It has the wacky "Front Freewheel System" FFS... Which means when you coast, the chain keeps turning because the cranks are freewheeling not the rear hub. Kinda wierd/cool, it means you can shift while coasting, other than that there isn't much advantage (except since the crank arms freewheel from the chainrings, it makes it easier to clean the chainrings).
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It has the wacky "Front Freewheel System" FFS... Which means when you coast, the chain keeps turning because the cranks are freewheeling not the rear hub. Kinda wierd/cool, it means you can shift while coasting, other than that there isn't much advantage (except since the crank arms freewheel from the chainrings, it makes it easier to clean the chainrings).

Wow...that too kool, Jeff !
I wonder if that ffs thing could work onna fixie for downhill runs
Where I hit the snag looking for info on mine is that it only says 'World'
on the top tube. And, mine only had 3 numbers stamped on the head
tube badge...go figure !
In the Classic forum ther are a few very knowledgeable Schwinn people,
Scooper is one of them. Any questions you have they could probably answer
but as I mentioned...mine appears to be a bastard of some sort
Hope you post some pics !!!
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Wow...that too kool, Jeff !
I wonder if that ffs thing could work onna fixie for downhill runs
Why in heavens name do you want a ratcheting mechanism on a fixed gear,whether it is on the crank or on the hub?

No powercranks either ..... geez ... <pulling hairs>
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Hehe, the FFS mechanism is just like a rear freewheel... in the sense that you can have a singlespeed, but not a fixie (because it ratchets). There's no way to engage/disengage it. Also the rear hub isn't truly fixed, but has a high-resistance clutch (so if the chain jams, the rear cogs WILL freewheel rather than throwing the chain or breaking something).

Lem, try searching the forums on SchwinnBike.com. I seem to recall seeing something about a "World" there while I was searching for "World Tourist". I don't think it's a bastard, maybe just another 80's model that no one seems to feel like talking about .

Huhenio, I am in fact thinking about making this a fixie... I think I must be insane, but for some reason it sounds like fun . And this bike does have horizontal dropouts...... Only problem is, I'll definitely need to replace the entire BB/chainwheel/cranks since it freewheels on this bike, as well as the rear hub since it's not fixed either. The rear hub isn't as big a deal, since I'd rather run 700c wheels than 27" (That way I can use the 700c tires I already have, like the studs for the winter). Oh and the current rims appear to be chrome/steel... renowned for awesome stopping power (it even has a sticker on the downtube saying something about requiring longer stopping distances when wet).
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Let me save you some time on your fixed conversion.

Things to throw to the parts bin.

Wheels and tires - Get 700's so you can have true options on quality, nice rolling, modern tires - I have 25's.
BB - save yourself the aggravation and dispose that thing, get a new one.
Cranks and ring - old rings are not something you want with a new cog and chain - get a new one.
Pedals - get some clipless ... I've got m520's and they are fine after 15,000 miles.

Keep both brakes -

End up gearing in mid 70 gear inches - Later you might want to go higher.

Flip and chop bullhorns so to have a good platform to stand up climbing. It worked for me till I got stronger and learned to climb seated MOST of the time.

My conversion is a Traveller .... I am familiar with the sticker.
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Why in heavens name do you want a ratcheting mechanism on a fixed gear,whether it is on the crank or on the hub?

No powercranks either ..... geez ... <pulling hairs>

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I had a '78 Schwinn Traveller That I put 1000's of
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The WORLD I have in the basement would make a
nice conversion but I jsut cant bring myself to strip a
complete and perfectly working 'vintage(?)' bike.

Old Schwinns are the proletariots Waterford or Rivendell
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mine is a 71 ... taiwan
Why don't you ride that Schwinn? ... It will perfect your pedaling by reminding to actually PEDAL on the top of the stroke.
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Wheels and tires - Get 700's so you can have true options on quality, nice rolling, modern tires - I have 25's.
I was pretty much thinking the same thing. These are steel/chrome which equals rust and bad braking, plus one is dented anyway. They are probably straight for the trash.

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BB - save yourself the aggravation and dispose that thing, get a new one.
I was thinking I might keep it if I feel like playing with the FFS on a geared bike, but obviously if I go fixie on this bike it'll have to be changed (the guts are not compatible with any other BB so I'll get a whole new BB).

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Cranks and ring - old rings are not something you want with a new cog and chain - get a new one.
I believe the cranks and ring are custom to the FFS. Since most cranks I've seen have the rings attached to the right crank... It's possible these take standard rings, but even so I'll take your advice and not reuse one of them.

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Pedals - get some clipless ... I've got m520's and they are fine after 15,000 miles.
Uhhh I was kinda curious about that. Is it even vaguely sane to have a fixie without clipless? Isn't that asking for broken ankles?

Anyway my other bike has SPD clipless so I'd probably get some cheap SPD pedals so I don't have to have different pairs of shoes (or be swapping cleats all the time). I'm not too worried about longevity, my performance brand pedals have lasted a year on my current commuter and until I know how many miles I'll be putting on this there's no point in breaking the bank.

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Keep both brakes -
You'd recommend both, not just the front? Not too big a deal, since it looks like they have enough adjustment room to simply adjust the pads for 700c instead of the 27's. Definitely need new pads though it almost wasn't safe to test-ride. May need to replace the whole mechanisms though... is it normal to be able to flex the arm on side-pull calipers?

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End up gearing in mid 70 gear inches - Later you might want to go higher.
I've got a geared bike right now, I'll figure out which gears are in the 70's and try to figure out what feels best.

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Flip and chop bullhorns so to have a good platform to stand up climbing. It worked for me till I got stronger and learned to climb seated MOST of the time.
This bike doesn't have bullhorns. It has mustache bars. I can either keep these or buy something... I guess I could flip 'em? I tried standing up on the bike and they feel pretty close to me as far as holding on goes.
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yep, had one

I too had one back in '87 or '88. rode the wheels off of that thing, loved it. Its a "World Tour", not tourist. Good luck with it!
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I too had one back in '87 or '88. rode the wheels off of that thing, loved it. Its a "World Tour", not tourist. Good luck with it!
No, it's a "World Tourist". It had that PRINTED ON THE SIDES.
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OK nevermind what I said about the G0183 should be on the left, the right side is the correct location.

"G" means built by Giant for Schwinn (like the sticker didn't tell me that already).
According to some posts on the "Schwinn Forums" (www.schwinnbike.com), the 01 is supposed to be the MONTH and the 83 the YEAR. That would indicate it was built in January 1983.

However, the 1213 on the sticker and stamped into the headbadge is supposed to indicate DAY 121 of YEAR X3. The X3 correlates, but day 121 is May 1st.

The only thing I can think of is maybe the frame was manufactured in January and the bike wasn't assembled until May?

Oh well it isn't like I'm going to have birthday parties for it. At least now I know it's about 23 years old.

OK so yeah I bought it .

It has the wacky "Front Freewheel System" FFS... Which means when you coast, the chain keeps turning because the cranks are freewheeling not the rear hub. Kinda wierd/cool, it means you can shift while coasting, other than that there isn't much advantage (except since the crank arms freewheel from the chainrings, it makes it easier to clean the chainrings).
You're correct in you're thinking. The serial number is for the manufacture of the frame, the date code on the headbadge indicates the day the bike was assembled.
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I'm going tomorrow to check out a old Schwinn World Tourist. If I like it I'm going to get it as a new project bike (maybe a new commuter). Anyone had/seen one? What did you think?
I have a men's World Tourist. Bought it at a garage sale a couple of years ago for $15 because I like bikes having upright cycling position and full fenders that were meant for the bike when manufactured. I don't think the bike had any rough use by its previous owners and the tires were like new. It works fine and shifts perfectly. I had/have no reason to alter it in any way other than replace the seat with a saddle I picked up long ago at at Frankfurt Flea Market for about $5. At the present time I just don't have much use for 10 speeds, so it sits in the garage til a later date.



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Your garage sale finds are nicer than my lbs purchases.
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I have a men's World Tourist. Bought it at a garage sale a couple of years ago for $15 because I like bikes having upright cycling position and full fenders that were meant for the bike when manufactured. I don't think the bike had any rough use by its previous owners and the tires were like new. It works fine and shifts perfectly. I had/have no reason to alter it in any way other than replace the seat with a saddle I picked up long ago at at Frankfurt Flea Market for about $5. At the present time I just don't have much use for 10 speeds, so it sits in the garage til a later date.



Yes, I have a Schwinn World tourist just like the one in the photos. Bought it new and will NOT part
with it I like it so much. For around town utility use it just can't be beat due to the FFW system.
I stay on the small chainring (39 teeth and just right for city use) to enable me to use the bike
as a 5 speed which is plenty for grocery getter use.

I also find this Giant built Schwinn to be robust in construction as it carries my 300# fanny just fine.
What's wrong with these bikes is they were ahead of their time and are still not understood for what
they do best.........commute or utility work. For these uses they are first rate.

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Your garage sale finds are nicer than my lbs purchases.
Not as good as the early 70's in Philadelphia during the heyday of the 10 speed racer fad. I used to find perfectly good English 3 speeds tossed in the trash almost every week with the only problem, if any, being a flat tire. I had a basement filled with those treasures. Back thena friend gave me a 50's era Schwinn knee action ballon tired bike because he needed the space in his garage for his new 10 speed.
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Man I paid $75... of course, I didn't try very hard to find a good deal. At this point in my life, $75 is easier to come by than half a day to spend searching garage sales .

ILTB, I think yours must be a slightly different year than mine since I don't believe mine had a capital second T in "TourisT", and the paint was more of an orangey red. Of course that's all sanded off now since I'm painting it.

I really liked the fact that it came with fenders, but now I'm not 100% whether I want to use them or just buy Freddies. Steel fenders seem like an intrinsically bad idea. The part of the bike that catches the most gravel, sand, salt, water, etc... hello rust. The freddies would be a simple bolt-on, all the bolts are in the exact same places.

Sorry Merton no digital camera. I'll take some pics when I'm done painting it and it's reassembled and scan 'em.

I'm thinking of flipping the handlebars, they'll be shaped more like mustache bars and should give me a second hand position closer in.
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Just IF your Tourist has the shimano FFW system................
LEAVE THE BOTTOM BRACKET ET. AL. ALONE UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
THAT GOES FOR THE SPROKETS AT BACK TOO. This system is unlike anything you'll encounter
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Man I paid $75... of course, I didn't try very hard to find a good deal. At this point in my life, $75 is easier to come by than half a day to spend searching garage sales .
Money is hardly an issue when you are having fun. Garage saleing is like hunting or fishing; the trophy catches are neat; but the activity itself is the real fun. Saving money is not the objective. My wife and I do it every Friday morning in the Spring and Summer; another advantage of working 4-10's. I'm not even looking for anything in particular but sometimes things just catch my eye. A couple of years ago I upgraded my computer setup with a free computer given away at a garage sale that had more memory and a bigger HD than the computer I already had. It even had a DVD drive and a 19 inch monitor. "Just take it away" was the price. I could have picked up some sort of Schwinn 27" Mixte frame bike in good shape last week for $10 but just didn't have any use for it since both my daughters live elsewhere and already have good European bikes. It was bought a few minutes after I passed on it.
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Just IF your Tourist has the shimano FFW system................
LEAVE THE BOTTOM BRACKET ET. AL. ALONE UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
THAT GOES FOR THE SPROKETS AT BACK TOO. This system is unlike anything you'll encounter
today.
Well, the BB itself is totally non-standard but it uses a standard 68mm shell (from what I have read... I have not confirmed this yet by actually installing a new BB). So as long as you don't mind replacing the whole thing you're fine. The cranks were splined, not square taper. And I don't know if it was a standard spline or not, but it's kind of moot since the right crank doesn't have any chainrings attached to it and you're not going to find any replacements that way (there's no provision since the chainrings freewheel).

You're right about the sprockets too, they're semi-fixed. No freewheel, but they have a clutch that allows 'em to slip (so if the chain jams they will turn rather than jamming the rear wheel or anything). I've removed all this since I'm converting the bike to a fixed-gear, but I'm not throwing it away. It might be cool to use sometime and/or if someone has one and needs parts I'm open to selling it (everything seemed to be in decent shape)
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I'm a little late to this post, but I just picked up a matching his/hers pair of '81's. My neighbor was going to take them to the dump since they have new Trek's. I got them for the low, low price of loaning him my paint sprayer, which I was going to do anyway. The bikes are in perfect condition, and were purchased new by his father-in-law.

The FFW drivetrain is very unusual, but works really well. One of them came with a huge double basket on the rear, so they're ideal grocery bikes.

I did consider a fixed conversion since the rear dropouts are horizontal, but the FFW setup is too cool.
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Damn, I really need to shift up and do weekly garage sales like that. I've been planning to in the last few weeks. I just ended up waking at 2 pm in the afternoon on Saturdays.
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