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Hunter 05-23-01 06:55 PM

I am gone!
 
Apparently there are those here, who have seen fit to push out persoanl attacks on the posts I put up. I find this lacking in maturity, and persoanlly offensive. Since I try to treat every one here with an equal amount of respect I have gotten the same from most. However when I first came here my original post was along the exact line it has mostly been. Now it seems that there are those who see fit to launch attacks on me personally for it. So if this is the way those few are going to be I am leaving. To those who I have become net friends with, Thank You and God Bless!

Campag Fetish Boy 05-23-01 07:02 PM

Don't let people grind you down.

I haven't read any of the offending posts, but just ignore them - it's only a website.

Thanks for the tips about my clicking! Trying the regrease option first. Otherwise it's my birthday soon and the wife is looking for presents for me, so a nice shiny Campag Daytona Chainset it is then :)

LittleBigMan 05-23-01 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hunter
Apparently there are those here, who have seen fit to push out persoanl attacks on the posts I put up. I find this lacking in maturity, and persoanlly offensive. Since I try to treat every one here with an equal amount of respect I have gotten the same from most.
I agree with Hunter that it takes real maturity to disagree with someone without attacking their personal dignity.

What kind of forum would this be if we were scared of everyone who disagreed with our opinions? The mark of maturity is the ability to disagree with someone's opinion without disrespecting their person.

dirtsqueezer 05-23-01 07:53 PM

Briefly - develop a thick skin or stay away from such charged issues on silly old bicycling forum.

Do the words: The Environment War! puppet organizations, systematic theft of property, treasonous act, Eco Terrorism, GLOBAL WARMING FANATICS EXUDE MORE FOUL AIR, or the phrase eco maniacs are psychotic beyond any control or assistance sound familiar? I find such statements lacking in maturity and personally offensive.

If you foul your nest, expect to sleep in it.

BTW, In all sincerity, your cycling posts are great. I hope you stay.

orguasch 05-23-01 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hunter
Apparently there are those here, who have seen fit to push out persoanl attacks on the posts I put up. I find this lacking in maturity, and persoanlly offensive. Since I try to treat every one here with an equal amount of respect I have gotten the same from most. However when I first came here my original post was along the exact line it has mostly been. Now it seems that there are those who see fit to launch attacks on me personally for it. So if this is the way those few are going to be I am leaving. To those who I have become net friends with, Thank You and God Bless!
Hunter, You know I mean well, you are one of the most senior and more level headed cycber buddy I have, so why let them bother you, all those nasty comment don't take it siriously, they are nothing but comment and they don't know the real Hunter, so it gonna be a great lose to this site if you will definitely leave the forum, and beside we have "Joe Gardner" to delete any offensive words posted on this site,

orguasch 05-23-01 07:58 PM

Hunter,
and as I said before," respect is the key to looooong life,", if they don't give respect to you, remember Buddy " What goes around comes around" stay were you are and enjoy the site, you don't have to respond to nasty comment or comment that is immaterial to what your'e saying they are the one whose going to look dumb and stu......p...d.

thbirks 05-23-01 08:02 PM

Well, Hunter i understand your disgust. However the posts i believe you're referring to deal with a topic that is complicated. It's much easier for people to pick a side and stand the line than to research the topic and come to their own conclusions. I regret to hear that personal attacks are being made here. One of the reasons i frequent this board is that it is so friendly and accepting, but don't let a few negative responses run you off.

fubar5 05-23-01 08:20 PM

We seem to be having an outbreak of people feeling offended. If it was me, I would talk to the people, let know where I'm comin from. Also, if you quit, then you are letting the rude, imature people win. You have "backed" down from their antics. This causes them to move on to the next person, and the next, until someone stands up to them with the attitude of," I am not letting these guys get the best of me".

Dirtgrinder 05-23-01 09:34 PM

Come on Hunter, don't you leave too. Everyone has their own opinions but personal attacks are just juvenile. Don't let 'em win.
You were the first person on this forum who answered my first post and I've felt like I belonged ever since.
Does this sound familiar? "Come on look at the positive side of your support here. If you get just one you should stay, and you have gotten four so far." :) So here's one more for you to stay.
DG

Stan 05-23-01 09:49 PM

Fubar5- you are wise beyond your years.
Hunter STAY. Lets all tone down the rhetoric, myself included. okay. Hunter, manytimes, coming on with strong, emotionally charged generalizations invokes the like response, my man. I know, all of us here have common ground on these environmental issues.
Ozone depletion, and Ground water contamination are two areas that I have researched extensively. If we are going to accpmplish anything good here lets find our commonalities and build from there.
This"green agenda" I don't know much about. enlighten me. In a sensical positive way please. I don't understand how( in afree market system) their agenda could last. Sooner or later they will bump heads with some companies agenda and they will lose. I would think?
Anyhoo, there it is. Hope you do stay. these forums,while I don't have much experience with this stuff seem quite unique. Diversity and tolerence to this point is the key for them. I think. ride long and prosper stan

Joe Gardner 05-24-01 01:15 AM

Could you imagine how boring these forums would be if everyone had the same opinions? Hunter, i know a few of us here disagree with you, I don't mind the odd argument & disagreements on the forums, but personal attacks are not acceptable to me, this forum was created to escape other forums that allow personal attacks and flames! If anyone is attacking anyone here, please, let me know about it! I hope you re-consider your decision and continue to support these forums and bring attention to the issues that matter to you.

Everyone else, as you know can see, there is a "report this post to a moderator" link at the bottom of each post, if you find a post that should be edited, or does not belong on the forums, please let me know, I don't have the time to read 200+ posts a day.

claude 05-24-01 01:36 AM

My friends,

as cyclists we (well at least myself on my daily commute for sure!) see a lot of reactions by people who do not understand what we are into. They see another two wheeled madman 'littering' the MOTORway. What they don't see is the person underneath that helmet. His or her background, his love for cycling and his /her memership in this forum etc...

We, as cyclists, see these madmen in their large overpowered heavyweight polluting machines, but lack to see their side of their story as well.

It is very easy to put down a person if one does not understand his reasons and background. It is very easy for a bus driver to spit on a cyclist to get out of the way (personal experience!). And it is also very easy to say - that's it, I quit, as my presence as a cyclist is not appreciated amongst bus drivers - but what does that lead to ? Does quitting change the world in any way - does it change anything for that bus driver who probably never came across me again anyway? - If I decided to quit, then it would have all changed for me, and for nobody else.

Let us, in true cycling spirit, change this, at least in this tiny online community we have. Let us show ourselves that we can live together in diversity. Let us not be like the rest of the world where a person who thinks/acts differently is not, or does not make himself an outcast.

claude

Joe Gardner 05-24-01 01:41 AM

Thank you claude, that was a great post.

Rich 05-24-01 01:49 AM

Here here Claude!!!

Hunter...you know how valued you are to this community...just take 5, and see how you feel..there are people on here who care...can you really chuck that away!?!

Hope you stay.

Rich :)

toolfreak 05-24-01 05:53 AM

Agree or disagree?

I think that`s a personal issue, it`s everyone`s right to carry out his or her opinion!
Hunter, you,ve helped me a lot with technical problems, my respect is yours! (and of all the BFC members)
And like orguasch said,
"respect is the key to looooong life"
It seems to me that your pressence here is very much needed, take a nice :beer: and think about it ;)

riderx 05-24-01 06:18 AM

Hunter - I think fubar said it best when he said if you leave the other side wins. You don't seem like a quitter, so stick around.

I do have a suggestion though: Some of your topics are definitely going to cause some heated debate and the ones that usually do tend to be only vaguely cycling related. I think you know that when you post them, so if you don't want to debate, carefully consider what you post. A lot of people feel just as strongly about their points of view as you do about yours.

Several times I've thought about responding to some of the more controversial posts on this site, but then I thought "This is a bike forum, do I want to get into a long debate about a hot topic where I probably won't change someone's opinion?" I decided no, I'd rather discuss cycling. I enjoy a good debate, but decided for me personally, this wasn't the forum it.

Just my $.02 (You might want to give me change back ;) )

Cheryl 05-24-01 07:09 AM

I am at a loss... What is going on?? Are these private messages you guys are getting? Who is the perpetrator? Is it one person or many?? I've never felt anything but support in the short time I've been visiting. Even disagreements are exciting. Who wants to live in a world where everyone agrees on everything, not me!!

I enjoy the tough questions that are posed here. Isn't that why we are all addicted???

aerobat 05-24-01 10:57 AM

Riderx has the right idea. I'm not against controversy, but there's a time and a place for everything, and I think this is the place for cycling issues specifically, even though you could stretch the point that all those other things do affect us all in some way.

Hunter we value your cycling experience, and your maintenance tips are great.

Hang in there!

Chris L 05-24-01 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dirtsqueezer
Briefly - develop a thick skin or stay away from such charged issues on silly old bicycling forum.

Do the words: The Environment War! puppet organizations, systematic theft of property, treasonous act, Eco Terrorism, GLOBAL WARMING FANATICS EXUDE MORE FOUL AIR, or the phrase eco maniacs are psychotic beyond any control or assistance sound familiar? I find such statements lacking in maturity and personally offensive.

If you foul your nest, expect to sleep in it.

BTW, In all sincerity, your cycling posts are great. I hope you stay.

I'm going to make myself (even more?) unpopular by going largely against the trend in this forum and agreeing with dirtsqueezer. The simple fact of the matter is that there are plenty of people out there who would find some of the above terms quite offensive. They have as much right to respond in a similarly insulting fashion as the 'topic starter' has to post such derisive terms in the first place.

To put it simply: If ya' can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen, if you don't want to be insulted, don't insult others. Having said that, I am by no means glad that Hunter left, I would prefer it if he stayed (and I mean that), but the fact is, this is a public forum, and people should expect to have their opinions challenged from time to time.

Just on the speculation about some tosser using the private messages to flame others, if you are reading this now (whoever you are), I have three words to say to you:

YOU ARE GUTLESS!!!

Why don't you post here like everyone else so we can all see your insults that must obviously be so damn clever!

OK folks, that's today's rant, flame away! I used to work as a telemarketer, so I can handle any insult you care to hurl my way!

Chris

orguasch 05-24-01 08:49 PM

Christ L.
as i have said before on some topic, "respect is the key to long life", and I think you got a point there Chris L.

Rich 05-25-01 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chris L


I used to work as a telemarketer, so I can handle any insult you care to hurl my way!

Chris

ok Chris,

You're big and hairy...urm...well your avatar is...urm....:p

Joe Gardner 05-25-01 11:46 AM

I work in a call center right now, but its only a steping stone to a better job. I need a customer support background to get the tech support job i want, another 2 months of hell :/

AlphaGeek 05-25-01 01:26 PM

I do tech support at a college. It's a good environment, because most are as crazy as me, or they're so cerebral they don't know what's going on! It is definitely better than "dial-a-prayer" (They're my backup!) call support, because you get to know the people in the department. :crash:

Chris L 05-25-01 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joe Gardner
I work in a call center right now, but its only a steping stone to a better job. I need a customer support background to get the tech support job i want, another 2 months of hell :/
I work for a call centre right now too, although I take calls rather than making them (it's much better than telemarketing was). However I start a new job in January after graduating. Let me tell you guys, I can't wait!

Chris

roadbuzz 05-26-01 03:42 PM

Hunter, sometimes people on the net are a lot like people in cars. When that face-to-face contact is taken away, they forget to be people. It's better to accept it as one of those things that s*x, and move on. Don't let one jerk run you off if you like the forum as a whole.

Tech support people: I have a nickname for the people who do tech support where I work... "punching bags." It takes a lot of guts.


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