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    Wheel lock, ring lock, o-lock, axa, basta, arbus, trelock

    Why is it impossible for me to find a dealer in North America that stocks those smart, compact rear wheel locks that now come standard on some foreign made bikes? They seem to be very popular in Europe and they can be obtained through web sites in England. I'd like to find such a lock closer to home to avoid higher shipping fees, and shipping and customs delays.

    Maybe an eBay seller in the Netherlands could make a fair deal and a profit, as they appear to have very cheap retail prices in that country.

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    You got a picture for those of us who have not quite worked out what sort of lock you are talking about?
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    Those locks aren't very effective aganist pick up and toss in the truck thefts. They do work against snatch and grabs where theifs ride off with your bike. Many European companies won't enter the US market because of litigation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DieselDan
    Those locks aren't very effective aganist pick up and toss in the truck thefts. They do work against snatch and grabs where theifs ride off with your bike. Many European companies won't enter the US market because of litigation.
    I wouldn't consider using as primary security but it would make it easier to lock the entire bike and make my bike more trouble to steal than the value of a few pounds of scrap or a few bucks at a hock shop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boudicca
    You got a picture for those of us who have not quite worked out what sort of lock you are talking about?
    New Breezers come from the factory with a wheel lock like this installed. I've seen other specs that include them but I'm not sure if they're for export to North America.
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    I suspect because few Americans would waste their money on a lock that has no useful purpose. Perhaps in Europe, crooks ride off on bikes. In the USA, they are just as likely to toss the bike into the back of a van or truck.

    A mini u-lock, such as the OnGuard Bulldog, is not much larger than useless "Euro" locks, but can be used to lock to bike to something substantial, such as a parking meter.

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    Trek puts these on their US commuter bikes, L200, L300, L400 series. I think they were also installed on the older Specialized Globes and a few other Euro style bikes sold stateside.

    No, Alan, these are not high security locks, but they work really well if all you're doing is popping into the convenience store for a six pack, or sitting in the coffee shop with your bike in view. They are also a wheel theft deterrent when combined with a Ulock for the frame and front wheel.

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    How the heck do those work? Do those lock around the wheel somehow and then act like the wheel locks that meter maids put on cars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TYB069
    How the heck do those work? Do those lock around the wheel somehow and then act like the wheel locks that meter maids put on cars?
    Correct.

    Locks like those are only effective within certain cultures around the world where bike thieves are not as bold as they are here in the U.S.
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    They are bolted to the seat stays, and the shackle goes through the spokes to prevent the wheel from turning.

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    I have one that I bought in the Netherlands years ago. I almost always use it in conjunction with a U-lock for serious lock-ups. I use it by itself when dropping my son off at school or when out on a trail somewhere where the only theft options would be a ride off. I feel it secures the rear wheel effectively and a u-lock through the front wheel and frame takes care of the rest. But it really should be used as one layer in a multi-part locking system.
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    Looks like a good thread to revive.

    Clever Cycles in Portland is now importing the Axa Defender ring lock from Holland and Velo Orange is offering a ring lock too. I suspect the Velo Orange one is Chinese or Indian made as no brand name listed and they are offering it for $25.

    The Axa lock can also be used with an optional chain that can lock the bike to an immovable object. The chain is a noose design and the end plugs into the ring lock. Two lengths of chain listed. 1 and 1.4 meters long. The longer chain is long enough to wrap around the front wheel and down tube and still plug into the main lock.

    I just installed the Axa on my Swobo Dixon. It required making an adapter plate as the Swobo seatstays had too much spread for using the standard factory mounting method.
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    Been using them for years and they are just now coming of age in the US.

    Here is a fuzzy picture of the AXA Defender, have to do better when I get the chance

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    How good of a job do these do securing the wheel? I've been thinking of getting a set for my barhopper to protect the wheels so I'll only have to carry a mini-U.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dynaryder View Post
    How good of a job do these do securing the wheel? I've been thinking of getting a set for my barhopper to protect the wheels so I'll only have to carry a mini-U.
    You won't get the rear wheel off without either cutting the rim, the lock or the frame. It isn't as thick as a U lock but the locking mechanism is hardened steel and would be hard to get a bold cutter on. I have had to cut a couple of them off, had to use an electric cutting wheel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dynaryder View Post
    How good of a job do these do securing the wheel? I've been thinking of getting a set for my barhopper to protect the wheels so I'll only have to carry a mini-U.
    The main lock is only designed to immobalize the rear wheel and will not prevent someone from carrying the bike off. None I know of are designed for front wheel mounting. The Axa optional chain should raise the security level significantly if properly used IMO but also ups the weight carried and use hassle.

    Used with the chain it is probably an improvement over most cable locks up to 12mm or so in diameter but they provide minimal protection based on posts I have seen here.

    I agree with wahoonc as to the difficulty of accessing the locking bar for cutting. My bike with it mounted also has a rear rack installed, making access to the lock even more difficult.

    Certainly going to slow a thief down but there is always the risk of some idiot not noticing the lock and damaging the rear wheel if they try to ride off with the lock engaged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tatfiend View Post
    The main lock is only designed to immobalize the rear wheel and will not prevent someone from carrying the bike off. None I know of are designed for front wheel mounting. The Axa optional chain should raise the security level significantly if properly used IMO but also ups the weight carried and use hassle.

    Used with the chain it is probably an improvement over most cable locks up to 12mm or so in diameter but they provide minimal protection based on posts I have seen here.

    I agree with wahoonc as to the difficulty of accessing the locking bar for cutting. My bike with it mounted also has a rear rack installed, making access to the lock even more difficult.

    Certainly going to slow a thief down but there is always the risk of some idiot not noticing the lock and damaging the rear wheel if they try to ride off with the lock engaged.

    They won't ride far...I tried it one time when I was in a hurry...didn't even bend the spoke. One thing too is that most people will try to push a bike to get a rolling start, it won't roll with a wheel lock.

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    So, this is a lock for people that kinda sorta don't want their bike stolen in one particular way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wordbiker View Post
    So, this is a lock for people that kinda sorta don't want their bike stolen in one particular way?
    Not quite. The Axa Defender when used with the optional noose chain, which plugs into the lock, if attached to an immovable object the bike is not going anywhere without some work on the thief's part.

    The lock itself will stop the grab and ride type thief and is IMO adequate for a restauraunt stop or other situation where the bike can be kept in view most of the time.

    No lock is truly adequate for when a bike is left for hours unattended in a high risk situation or area of town.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wahoonc View Post
    Been using them for years and they are just now coming of age in the US.

    Here is a fuzzy picture of the AXA Defender, have to do better when I get the chance

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    Here are clear pictures of the frame lock that came standard on my Vaterland city bike purchased in 1999. Still works fine for short stops. Not as substantial as the high priced massive frame locks but keeps honest people honest just as well.
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    short stops absolutely.

    Have one on my grocery getter. wanted one on the touring bike but its not worth the extra weight since i carry a u-lock for those trips anyhow.

    I think they are great for that bike you ride to the 7-11. In downtown Seattle, as I watched thru a store window, someone tried to steal my bike with a ring lock engaged. The would-be thief walked away with an very puzzled look on their face as to why the bike wasn't going anywhere! hah!

    I ordered two ring locks from Chris at Velo- Orange, the keys are stamped "Abus" but there is nothing on the locks at all to designate a manufacturer. possibly chinese copies, but they are high quality tough ring locks every bit as stout as the Axa-Basta ones. Stouter than the ones seen in I-L-T-B's pics just above. I've got a few of those too, old ones off some rental bikes in Scotland. the keys on those seem a little fragile.
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    I can see it as a much more effective lock if say...it engaged at 20 MPH unless set by the user.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wordbiker View Post
    So, this is a lock for people that kinda sorta don't want their bike stolen in one particular way?
    They're better than a cable or funky skewers for securing the rear wheel,and are less of a hassle than a second U lock. I can def see using one of these on a bike with an IGH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
    Here are clear pictures of the frame lock that came standard on my Vaterland city bike purchased in 1999. Still works fine for short stops. Not as substantial as the high priced massive frame locks but keeps honest people honest just as well.
    I have a couple like that also have one that is nothing more than a square piece of stock that extends into the spokes, keeps you from riding off, but that is about it. FWIW my 1972 Raleigh Superbe has a fork lock, that one is always fun too, when you forget to unlock it and try to ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wahoonc View Post
    I have a couple like that also have one that is nothing more than a square piece of stock that extends into the spokes, keeps you from riding off, but that is about it. FWIW my 1972 Raleigh Superbe has a fork lock, that one is always fun too, when you forget to unlock it and try to ride.

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    i'm looking for one of those "square piece of stock that extends into the spoke" locks...mainly because my bike has the braze-on for it. is there a name for those? did they stop making them ages ago? i'm not expecting it to beat out my u-lock for security...anyway, can't seem to find them anywhere, or really any references to that type of lock.

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