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    Bicycle Ride Rating System.

    Boy did I ask the wrong crowd about this. Guess that'll learn me to just simply do it next time & not ask for an opinion on it.
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    What advantage do you get from quantifying what should be a qualitative measurement?

    What do you gain by this method that isn't just as beneficial as "I feel great after today's ride!" or "Today's ride sucked!" or somethingin between?
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    What is the point of this? If your goal is to get more "perfect" rides in, then I suggest you move to the system that airplane pilots use to grade their landings. If you walk away, it was a perfect landing. If you live, it was a good landing. If not -- you failed.

    You get a lot of "perfects" that way.
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    Sometimes additional information is needed before a question like this can be answered.

    I am a Systems Analyst by trade, so in order to properly design a list I would either need to understand the objective, or ask questions to gain understanding. Finding out why you go through this process helps to clarify the objective. It is no different than asking a cyclist what his objectives are when the initial message is "I need to decide between a Giant Sedona or a TCR-1 Composite, which one should I buy?"

    But since we are not allowed to ask questions, I will present my suggestions.

    If your rating is used to help you determine which routes or events you enjoy, then I would keep in the external factors, since these are very relevant.

    If your rating is to help you determine a quality about yourself and/or your bicycle, then I would remove the external factors, and possibly add others to the list.

    If your rating is about judging an organized ride (which it sounds like it may be targetted toward in some of your wording) then I would remove any items dealing with yourself or your bike and only base it on items the organizers should consider (traffic, terrain, etc) and not on your mechanical issues or crashes (unless related to issues that the organizers should consider)

    One additional comment... If you drop the external factors, record more "Perfect" scores and then start subconciously making mental notes because "there was that one idiot that buzzed you," have you met your objective?

    I hope you do have many more perfect rides, regardless of how they are measured!
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    Ok. You have a rating system that you use to "grade" your rides. You're essentially asking us if your rating system would be better if you remove the weather and motor vehicle factors. But we don't know why you're doing this, other then your one stated goal:

    If I do I will have a lot more perfect ratings.
    Unless we know what the goal and / or purpose of your grading system is, we have no way of telling you how usefull it is. For instance, take computer benchmarks. You can run a test on various computers that will tell you exactly how fast a particular computer will run, say Microsoft Excel. Trying to use those results to tell you the suitability of those computers to do anything else is pointless. Unless you know the context of the grading system then trying to derive anything from the scores it gives you is pointless. We don't know the context of why you're doing this.
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    The imperfections are what makes the ride.

    Coming from Iowa, you have undoubtedly heard of "Saggy Thursday" that day several years ago on RAGBRAI when strong headwinds forced thousands of riders to resort to sagging into the next town. Now that it's over, everybody loves to share their Saggy Thursday war stories.

    Wind, rain, flat tires, dogs, mechanical woes, they are all part of the fabric of cycling. Each one gives me an opportunity to learn something new and new stories to share with my cycling friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N_C
    For those that have responded & will respond asking why I am doing this, never mind why. All I am asking for is an opinion on whether you think I should modify the list of items I use to rate the rides with. I do not want & did not ask for opinions or questions as to why I am doing this.

    To ease your minds & answer the question as to why, here is the answer: Because I can & I want to thats why. If you don't like this answer,. well tough, it's the only one your getting, you should not have provided an opinion I did not ask for.

    Now, let's move on & provide some opinions on what I originally asked about.
    T.S. My opinion is that you should worry less about scoring rides and more about enjoying the ride as you are doing it. If you don't like mine or other opinions that don't fit into your tightly defined criteria, go hire a bunch of yes-men...I hear there are a lot of ex-Bush folks looking for work in that area.
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    Let's see, where to start?

    You say nothing about road conditions. Maybe it's not important to you, but pot holes, cracked pavement, and chip seal have a lot to do with ride satisfaction.

    What about hills? Shouldn't you rate your rides based on the amount of climbing and/or the steepest grade encountered. More is better here, IMHO.

    What about average heart rate? Average speed?

    Basically, you list a set of very bad things that could happen to you. On my rides, I expect none of the things you list will occur except perhaps a flat tire. If I got sick to my stomach, or crash (except on MTB trails) I would consider it to be a poor ride right there, whether or not I finished.

    I can't control the weather, but if I was too dumb to be prepared for the weather that I encounter, I deserve to get caught in it. Some of my best rides have been in the worst weather.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N_C

    Now, let's move on & provide some opinions on what I originally asked about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by N_C
    For those that have responded & will respond asking why I am doing this, never mind why. All I am asking for is an opinion on whether you think I should modify the list of items I use to rate the rides with. I do not want & did not ask for opinions or questions as to why I am doing this.

    To ease your minds & answer the question as to why, here is the answer: Because I can & I want to thats why. If you don't like this answer,. well tough, it's the only one your getting, you should not have provided an opinion I did not ask for.

    Now, let's move on & provide some opinions on what I originally asked about.
    OK.

    Keep them all and then put the bike in the garage and just sit on it. Nothing can go wrong so all the rides are perfect. As a previous poster pointed out you are dealing with only bad things that can happen. What I said before was just a reduction to absurdity, but it illustrates the problem with the system. Rides can be beautiful in the rain. Rides can have sections where auto or road hazzard problems are more likely, but so where beauty is almost certain. Trying for a good ride by your rating system means avoiding these areas.

    Actually the more I think about it the more I realize that the perfectly 'safe' sections are also the perfectly boring sections of rides. It is easy to find residential streets where all your bad things are minimized, but that make for a very very boring ride. But why would one ever want to ride them?

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    99% of my rides are rated
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fixer
    99% of my rides are rated
    What about the other 1%, fixer san?
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    Short answer:

    Drop them.

    Background:

    We are providing our opinions because none of us can detect your priorities without you telling us. Even those that are expressing the opinion that what you are doing is silly are providing honest input... Would you really rather get a yes or no instead of real information? Do you really want your personal ride ratings to be based on popularity among people you don't really know?

    Would an opinion that simply says "drop them" really hold more value to you than an explanation of why the person responding would drop them?

    Read the responses, take and apply what you want, and discard the rest.

    BTW - You have provided some meaningful clarification.

    Long answer:

    If I am correct, your rating system seems to provide a way for you to track how well you were prepared for a particular ride.

    I would say to drop the uncontrollable issues from your list. With a caveat... If you feel that your selection of routes is an element of what you wish to track, then they should be there.

    My opinion is that I would drop those elements. As others have noted in various ways, part of the thrill of riding is the freedom involved, so I would leave myself open to take random side trips... Therefore, grading yourself on weather and motor vehicle traffic might be counter-productive to allowing this freedom.

    I still hope that you enjoy many perfect rides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chipcom
    What about the other 1%, fixer san?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chipcom
    T.S. My opinion is that you should worry less about scoring rides and more about enjoying the ride as you are doing it.
    +1


    If you don't like mine or other opinions that don't fit into your tightly defined criteria, go hire a bunch of yes-men...I hear there are a lot of ex-Bush folks looking for work in that area.

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    Any ride is a good ride, unless you make a U-turn in front of a truck!
    Bikes use brakes to stop.

    If your bike has breaks, don't ride it.

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    You could rate the ride according to:
    Amount of traffic
    Quality of pavement.
    Hills
    Scenery
    Your energy level
    Average speed, heart rate
    How well did you enjoy the ride.
    I would eliminate weather. If you are rating it for possible future rides.
    How far from where you live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N_C
    For those that have responded & will respond asking why I am doing this, never mind why. All I am asking for is an opinion on whether you think I should modify the list of items I use to rate the rides with. I do not want & did not ask for opinions or questions as to why I am doing this.

    To ease your minds & answer the question as to why, here is the answer: Because I can & I want to thats why. If you don't like this answer,. well tough, it's the only one your getting, you should not have provided an opinion I did not ask for.

    Now, let's move on & provide some opinions on what I originally asked about.
    Now that's a funny post. You expect this loose crew to adhere to your requests without offering an opinion or ask why? I guess all I have to say is If you do not like my answer then tough. I will ask what I want and give what opinion I want, whether it has anything to do with your OP or not.

    But in the spirit of your guidlines, your rating system sucks. Here's my system.

    ~I thought about riding but did not ---------0

    ~I said screw the wheather, the aches and pains and rode anyway---------+10

    That's it. Simple and much easier to keep track of than yours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Retro Grouch
    The imperfections are what makes the ride.

    Coming from Iowa, you have undoubtedly heard of "Saggy Thursday" that day several years ago on RAGBRAI when strong headwinds forced thousands of riders to resort to sagging into the next town. Now that it's over, everybody loves to share their Saggy Thursday war stories.

    Wind, rain, flat tires, dogs, mechanical woes, they are all part of the fabric of cycling. Each one gives me an opportunity to learn something new and new stories to share with my cycling friends.
    What the hell? There's several thousand riders and they couldn't form a peloton?

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    Sheesh...you seem to be looking for excuses to be disappointed about your rides. Based on your apparent need to focus on the negative, your list is too short. Perhaps you should add:

    Dog Attacks
    Lightning Strikes
    Bug Bites
    Potholes
    Sunburns
    Chapped Lips
    Being mocked by teenage girls
    Headwinds in both directions of an "out and back" ride
    Bonking
    Broken handlebars/seatpost
    Accidental grease marks on your right inside leg (+1 if you manage to dirty your left leg too).


    By way of comparison, my girlfriend and I got caught in a cold rain about 8 miles from home a week ago. By the time we got back to her house, we were both nearly frozen, with water in our shoes and our fingers nearly unable to operate the brakes. But, the rain also made what would have been a ho-hum ride into an "epic" that we survived and will remember - it also made for a fun hot shower afterwards, and was good training for our upcoming tours to Colorado.
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