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Old 05-31-01, 12:04 PM   #1
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Friend hit by a Car

I just got word this morning that a good friend of mine from Atlanta was struck by a car on the weekend of the 20th. He was doing a group ride in the Stone Mountain area when he was struck from behind by a car.

He was in surgery for four hours to repair his leg. He is back home and in good spirits.

From what I was told the lady apparently was not paying close attention to the road and claimed that she never saw him.
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Old 05-31-01, 12:08 PM   #2
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Thanks, Joe. I haven't heard this.
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Atlanta is a tough place to ride. Too bad about your friend, but he is lucky to be still among us.

If drivers cannot seem to see two and a half tonne SUVs and pull into THEIR paths, then we must surely all be invisible.

It's a shame that our invisibility has no real advantages...
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That sucks. I sure hope his leg recovers enough for him to pick-up riding again. How's his knee? any damage to that?
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I'm glad he's ok and I'll light a candle tomorrow. Like the rest of you, I've had some near misses. Sometimes when this happens, the motorist yells at me for putting myself in danger by being out on the street.

Scary to think that our lives are in their hands. Best not to think of that. Strike it from the record.
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Yeah, the woman got a ticket but still...she could've killed him. Who knows what she was doing to keep her from paying attention to the road. The sad part is that it was a 4 road and the other lane was empty so she could've switched lanes and avoided him.
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I hope your friend is alright. I too get really pissed off when "I didn't see him/her" is used as an excuse for attempted murder. Tell me, if we allow all of these people with apparently poor eyesight on to the road, will Stevie Wonder ever get a licence.

I have said it before but the incompetent must be removed from the road at any and all costs!

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I'm glad to hear your friend will be alright. Here's hoping for a speedy recovery.
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The sad part is that it was a 4 road and the other lane was empty so she could've switched lanes and avoided him.
This is something that I just can't understand, when cars zip by your elbow, and there's a whole other lane they could use.
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Great... yet another case of a motorist not paying attention... let me guess she was driving a manual transmission suv, talking on the phone, smoking a cigarette, drinking coffee, putting on makeup and trying to control the 53 children in the backseat while the sun was in her eyes.
This is not very funny.

Today, while walking to the train station, I was about to enter a crosswalk on a "walk" signal. I was crossing a 4 lane, one-way street, in front of a line of stopped vehicles. Traffic was flowing towards me an another 4 lane, one-way street.

A person in an SUV coming towards me in the lane nearest me, talking on a cell phone, mouth open wide with lips moving, has the turn signal on. They are about to turn a) directly into me, b) the wrong way into a one-way street, c) head-on into a group of stopped vehicles, d) at an inappropriate speed.

I waved "no, don't come this way," at the driver and shook my head.

With a look of distracted irritation, they corrected their deadly error and continued their conversation.
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I think Pete just meant that what he was about to describe wasn't very funny.

I can just hear the driver that almost demolished Pete and a bunch of other people, continuing the phone conversation with something like, "What did you say? Some jerk waving his hands in the middle of the street distracted me."
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The other day, I was bicycling up the main boulevard of our small town, in the Bike Lane, correct side of the road. Moving past a shopping center, I noticed a van waiting to leave the parking lot and turn onto the roadway. I slowed down, and made eye contact with the driver. I swear she looked into my eyes, smiled sweetly, then pulled directly in front of me. I stopped easily enough, but I'll be danged! Maybe she was looking beyond me ( I'm a compact man, and don't present a very high target), but dog gone it, it was upsetting! Hope your friend makes a complete recovery.
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I hope your friend is alright. I too get really pissed off when "I didn't see him/her" is used as an excuse for attempted murder. Tell me, if we allow all of these people with apparently poor eyesight on to the road, will Stevie Wonder ever get a licence.

I have said it before but the incompetent must be removed from the road at any and all costs!

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I totally agree with you Christ L., the incompetent ( would like to add one more word) the "stupid Driver" should not be allowed to get back her driving license, this kind of driver is a menance to our community
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None of us likes to accept responsibility for our own stupidity. The times I have had near misses and bumps that the drivers had the courtesy to at least stop and check on me they of course said they "didn't see me" and even that they had "the utmost respect for 'you' people". That one had me checking the color of my skin. It is easy to say they don't care and are jerks, and our society is too remote for people to care about others. The real fact is we are all human, and all make mistakes, and don't know what to say when we have been wrong except to try to make an excuse to make our actions not seem intentional. Shoe on the other foot example. One winter night, coming home in the dark, with helmet light and 2 bar headlights I was approaching a traffic signal, that had a driveway to a Walmart just in front of it. I was in the right lane of 2, with the left lane full of traffic. Because there was traffic behind me I was taking the lane. Just as I was even with the driveway, the car there started to roll. Out of reflex, I moved to the far left of my lane. Obviously the poor driver in the left lane behind me had no way of knowing how far left I would move (I didn't have time to signal {excuse**) so he slammed on his brakes, risking a rear-end collision (the most common accident here in Massachusetts). Fortunately, the driver behind him was paying attention. The best I could do was knock on his window at the light, apoligize and give my excuse. While I don't want my long-winded story to seem like I don't think we should hold drivers responsible for their actions, I do think we need to be careful not to confuse irresponsibility with malice. I think we need to think like a parent disciplining a child, we need to punish the bad behavior while making clear it is the behavior that we see as bad, not the person.
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One of my friends got hit by a car the other day and this, again, was the excuse used... when the cops arrived they said they didn't think it was fair to write her a ticket because we are so hard to see and she obviousley didn't. I am so tired of this excuse working...
Would the cops have applied the same reasoning if a pedestrian had been hit? So it's OK to hit anybody that isn't in a motor vehicle?!
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One of my friends got hit by a car the other day and this, again, was the excuse used... when the cops arrived they said they didn't think it was fair to write her a ticket because we are so hard to see and she obviousley didn't. I am so tired of this excuse working...
I agree about the excuse not being sufficient. Cyclists are harder to see, but they are also moving slower.

Never is there any traffic code that excuses a vehicle that enters the right of way of another vehicle (namely, a car exiting a driveway into the path of a cyclist who is legally positioned in the roadway being entered) on the basis of "being hard to see," except when that "hard to see" vehicle does not have the legally
specified lights/reflectors. That policeman Badger mentioned is rewriting the law at the expense of cyclist safety.

It would never hold water.
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Well our criminal justice system allows for police discretion... unfortunately this officer appears to be abusing his.
It looks that way to me, too. I read somewhere that a non-fatality vehicular accident took an average of one hour of paperwork for the officers investigating. But that's still no reason not to consider the rights and liabilities of the parties involved.
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I think they are still required to write a report even if a ticket isn't written. It's sad to see so many officers looking the other way to avoid some more paperwork.
Very,very true.I bet they wouldn't mind filling out a few papers to get a lifetime supply of Krispy Kreme!!!
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As far as cycling goes, there are policemen who look out for us and others who do not. But I don't think policemen have the moral or legal right to overlook anyone's rights simply because they are not driving a motor vehicle.
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I witnessed one of these "Stupid People In Possession of a Car" incidents the other day.

The area where I work has a large parking lot (as you Americans call them ), I was standing at the fast food van waiting to buy some lunch. This car reversed out of a parking space into the main lane round the Lot. As the lady done this another car entered the lot and waited about 15-20 feet behind her. The lady in the first car looked over her shoulder, paused for a few seconds, then still looking over her shoulder (looking directly at the car behind her) reversed. She was still looking directly at the other car as she HIT it!!!!!!!!

How the hell she managed that, I don't know. It does make you wonder how such people manage to live ordinary day-to-day lives.
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Not so long ago ,here in Melbourne 3 riders got killed and several others injured whilst riding in a bunch ,as a young 18 yr old first time driver in a sporty hatchback ,crossed from her side of the hiway ,over the median and into the bunch coming in the opposite direction !!. She claimed to have had a "sneezing attack", which made her loose control of her car thus ploughing into the helpless riders like skittles..at the time of the press release no information had been given to her charges ................
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