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    Getting tired of the greased piggy feel, and skin damage is getting more priority again.
    I hate that diagnosis: "basal cell carcinoma"

    so, this is getting more important.

    Interesting sites:

    http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/biology...1/vculler.html
    - UV protection chart of chemical and physical sunscreens

    http://www.answers.com/topic/sunburn
    - what is light, sunburn, etc

    http://www.mercola.com/2000/oct/15/sunscreen.htm
    - chemical sunscreens increase instead of decrease cancer risks

    http://www.skinbiology.com/toxicsunscreens.html
    - why and how chemical sunscreens effect humans

    http://vvv.com/healthnews/dsunscre.html
    --Sunscreens increase cancer




    Notes_summary

    -- in sunlight, avobenzone degrades and becomes ineffective within about 1 hour

    -- In 2001, the National Academy of Sciences published a comprehensive review showing that the omega 6:3 ratio was the key to preventing skin cancer development.

    -- safest screens are those with Titanium dioxide or zinc oxide

    -- supplement diet with 800 IU of vit E

    -- limit sun exposure between 9am and 3pm

    -- ozone thinning does not account for increase in skin cancer rates

    -- UVB causes DNA and cell damage

    -- UVA is both good and bad. It generates Vit D and also increases sagging, wrinkling, leathery texture, and blotchy discoloration of skin

    -- SPF only measures UVA and not UVB.

    -- SPF is a guessimate and not accurate. Should be renamed sunburn factor for better understanding.

    -- revision of SPF standands is supposed to be completed within next 12 months, but some expect this process to continue for years.



    So back to my original question, any experience with an excellent SPF shirt for cycyling?
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    Anyone tried this? It looks fantastic and it's a jersey with SPF 50


    http://www.boure.com/8626L.html
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    Found another, not SPF 50, but is SPF 40, close enough.

    http://www.bikemania.biz/Jaggad_Solr...eysolracem.htm

    Besides the boure goat jersey, they also have a team jersey.

    So for SPF, there are 4 I now know of:
    1. solumbra cycle shirt
    2. boure goat jersey
    3. boure team jersey
    4. jaggad solrace

    Anyone else find any?????
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    http://royalrobbins.com/product_deta..._Cat_ID=9&sp=N Not a designated cycling shirt, but it works. Coolmax, and they claim UPF 30, whatever that equates to.
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    I think SPF 30 is about 93% protection from UVA. SPF50 is about 97% protection.

    Thank you for the find. There are so few cycling shirts I'm just looking at alternatives. Underbody armor has a shirt but I thought it would be too warm. There also are some surfing and boating shirts, but they don't look like they have adequate ventilation. The surfing shirts are dark colors.

    Again, thanks.
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    I've used this swimming/surfing shirt twice in the heat:
    http://www.rei.com/online/store/Prod...cat=REI_SEARCH
    Seems to be ok temperature-wise; I always carry a camelback, so dark body color is ok for me as long as the sleeves are bright colors. There are bright colored ones on Amazon (search term "rashguard").

    Don't know if I'll look weird wearing these while cycling. When I initially purchased it, I didn't know it's meant for water sports (I don't swim, so "quiksilver", "body glove" brands didn't ring a bell to me); they are the only "for sports" looking UVP50 shirts I can find easily in sports stores in my area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HiYoSilver
    I think SPF 30 is about 93% protection from UVA. SPF50 is about 97% protection.

    Thank you for the find. There are so few cycling shirts I'm just looking at alternatives. Underbody armor has a shirt but I thought it would be too warm. There also are some surfing and boating shirts, but they don't look like they have adequate ventilation. The surfing shirts are dark colors.

    Again, thanks.
    If I'm going to wear a long sleave shirt during the summer, it MUST be white or nothing else. Thanks for those articles.

    I was wearing the long sleave white Performance jersey not too long ago with very good results. The past two weeks since I haven't used them, my arms turned very tan. I guess I'll have to go back to using them again after reading your articles. I still use full hand gloves because I hate that mid finger tan line.

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    Agreed on full hand gloves. I still have a couple pair of fingerless, but don't use them. I also have gotten in the habit of putting on sunscreen before putting on the gloves, as the gloves probably have a SPF of 6 to 8. I could treat them with some SPF solution I guess. I'll have to look into this. Thanks for making me think again.

    I agree with light colors, I'm going to try the boure goat jersey and see how it works. If it's close, I'll bet they would be open to creating a custom jersey.
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    Found another source. Very reasonable pricing and with many color choices. Long sleeve jersey $60 and short sleeve $35.

    http://skin-savers.com/Action_Wear/index.html

    Yet another option is to get Rit Sun Guard Laundry Treatment UV Protectant, $20 at dermadoctor.com and treat your clothes in the wash. Raises a standard SPF 5 shirt to SPF 30.
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    This FLA cyclist thanks you for this post
    If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LilSprocket
    This FLA cyclist thanks you for this post
    You're welcome. If you find an especially comfortable shirt, let us know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiYoSilver
    Found another source. Very reasonable pricing and with many color choices. Long sleeve jersey $60 and short sleeve $35.

    http://skin-savers.com/Action_Wear/index.html

    Yet another option is to get Rit Sun Guard Laundry Treatment UV Protectant, $20 at dermadoctor.com and treat your clothes in the wash. Raises a standard SPF 5 shirt to SPF 30.

    That detergent probably has the same chemicals found in sunscreen...

    I have a white rashguard, "ripcurl" I believe is the brand. It's pretty lightweight and comfortable.

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    Excellent point, if it's just chemical it would be very suspect. Thanks for asking that question.

    I saw the rashguard link, kind of a bland shirt, but hey if it works, that's great.
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    HiYo:
    My thanks too for the skin-savers link. The first (boure) jerseys are jazzier, but love the SS prices more... as soon as they get back from vacation, I'll be ordering! I was already planning to use the Rit product but having some difficulty finding long-sleeved jerseys that aren't designed for COOL/COLD weather.

    This thread saved me starting one of my own! Thanks to OP and all contributors!

    Re: SunGuard:
    "SunGuard works by washing an invisible shield into clothing that helps block more than 96% of the sun's harmful rays from reaching your skin. With the active ingredient TINOSORB® FD, a UV protectant from Ciba Specialty Chemicals, SunGuard can boost the UPF protection of a white cotton T-shirt from UPF 5 to UPF 30....wash in skin protection for up to 20 washings. SunGuard won't change the color or comfort of clothing and is safe for even the most sensitive skin."

    So while TinosorbFD is a "chemical" (as are TiO2 and ZnO) from a chemical company, the protection it offers is quite apparently physical -- based on that it lasts through washings rather than degrading in 60-90 minutes. More details here:
    http://www.sunguardsunprotection.com/faq.asp

    ~'spin!~
    PS also see the skinsavers page on sunscreen for a discussion (well, a bar-chart) of properties of sunblocks. They sell both "types" so I'm more apt to trust the data...

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    You're welcome. I'm going to also try treating a couple of jerseys and see how it goes.
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    Some of the Cervelo jerseys have a high SPF rating.. Click the link and read the fabric technology section.

    http://www.cervelo.com/apparel.aspx?m=Apparel&i=Jerseys

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    I must have missed it, I didn't see any sunblock. great looking jerseys. though
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    Nevermind, found it. They call it E-flow. SPF 40. Nice, except they are all short sleeve. the long sleeve is not SPF and heavier for cooler temps.
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    LLBEAN tropical wear shirts= great.

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    Okay, so this whole 50 spf shirt thing seems like a scam. So I think I will start a poll. Just curious as to how many people actually got a sunburn with their clothes on.

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    Fair enough. I just voted in it. Make no mistake, almost any fabric is going to give more protection than bare skin.

    I'm going to do a comparison here, though the jury's still out on the sun protection merits of either. I got the Royal Robbins Expedition (short sleeve), and an Ex-Officio long sleeve, both rated UPF 30. Robbins uses Coolmax as a cooling fabric, Ex-Officio uses a different brand of essentially the same. The Robbins feels cooler, though that is a personal observation. Both are better than cotton seersucker. Both use velcro for pocket closures (which I hate). The Ex-Officio has a three way collar, and uses velcro as part of the design. I have yet to find a good collar position. Ex-Officio also has a velcro (again) closure on the rear vent, which I regard as unnecessary. It also has a hook in the yoke, probably to hold up the rear vent with velcro. Both have two breast pockets (good), but both are a little droopy due to the large size and the nature of the respective fabrics. Pockets on both are too big, but Robbins is a little closer to being right. Neither is a cycling shirt, by the way.

    In my personal opinion, the Robbins at $60.00 in long sleeve looks better, and the simpler design works better so far as actually wearing the shirt goes. The Ex-Officio at $74.00 is just way overdesigned. Perceptually, the Robbins is slightly cooler, though this is unscientific comparison. If you insist on the Ex-Officio, prices at REI were recently in the mid $50s.
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    Okay, so this whole 50 spf shirt thing seems like a scam.
    Slowandsteady:
    Your "Okay, so..." sounds like you are agreeing with someone else but I can't find anyone in this thread who has said or even implied anything of the kind.

    I knew someone who sunburned through a cotton shirt and you could see the seams and pockets/yoke/placket in slightly less burned outlines.

    My husband, who (thanks to Danish/English ethnicity) burns VERY easily, has never shown ANY evidence of sun exposure through SPF-rated nylon or poly shirts from LLBean, Travelsmith, or White Sierra (a brand carried by Sports Chalet). That's outdoorsy-button shirts, not jerserys, not that it matters to the discussion, but before anybody gets excited thinking that LLBean has SPF/UPF rated bike jerseys!

    Anyway, no SCAMS or rumors of scams, in this household.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowandsteady
    Okay, so this whole 50 spf shirt thing seems like a scam. So I think I will start a poll. Just curious as to how many people actually got a sunburn with their clothes on.
    You misunderstand. The issue is NOT sunburn, it's UV cell damage. I used to have a job where I had to drive most of the time. I didn't get sunburn thru clothes, but did get basal cell cancer thru the drivers side window and shirts. If it's caught early, basal cell cancer does not spread like other cancers. But then again, it's still cancer and cancer is not good.
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    My boyfriend swears by the Boure SPF 50 jersey (he lives/rides in Miami.) We both use the arm-coolers from desotosports.com - I've never gotten a burn through them.

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    the boure SPF jersey is great. It's very cool. We haven't had above 95F here when I've been riding with it, but at 94F it feels like about 83F when riding.
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