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Old 03-04-03, 12:43 PM   #1
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I appreciate curtious drivers

You know, the drivers who will patiently drive behind you at 20 mph when you're going into a blind curve, and not speed by you closely when they get a clear stretch, but drive around you giving you plenty of space. The ones that beep the horn to let you know they're behind you, and are passing. The ones that wave to you instead of screaming obscenities. The ones that give you the right of way at a four way stop sign. I always say "thank you" in my mind to these drivers. They're so far and few between, everyone else is just in so much of a rush, and get mad so quickly. No wonder Americans have heart attacks by the time they're 50 years old. Too much stress. Most of it's avoidable too. They're probably mad because they had to sit down their double cheese burger to put both hands on the wheel to steer around us. Maybe these curtious drivers are cyclists themselves. Or just good people. But hey, those are one in the same eh?
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I appreciate correct spelling too. "Courteous"
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I like it, too when drivers are courteous. I also mouth a "Thank You" when they do this at traffic lights/stop signs even though I know they can't hear me with their window up. It ususally elicits a nod.
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I like it, too when drivers are courteous. I also mouth a "Thank You" when they do this at traffic lights/stop signs even though I know they can't hear me with their window up. It ususally elicits a nod.
Yup - I ALWAYS shoot a friendly wave @ any motorist who doesn't attempt to run me down, throw stuff @ me, or yell strings of curse words.

The bad news is that I rarely get the opportunity to wave.
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... and not speed by you closely when they get a clear stretch, but drive around you giving you plenty of space. The ones that beep the horn to let you know they're behind you, and are passing.
I like the Euro method - get by you as quickly as possible while giving you what little space you need. They can keep their hands off the horn. And yeah if people are cool (i especially like it when they turn their brights off at night), they get a thumbs-up.
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I appreciate courteous drivers too, and usually give them a friendly wave in return. Unfortuntely, the seem to be a minority around here...
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I like to think of myself as a cycling ambassador, as if I'm the only cyclist that drivers will ever know. I wave, smile and give a hearty thumbs-up whenever I get the chance.

I also talk junk to my fellow cyclists who flip the bird to all the a-hole drivers or who insist in riding in the middle of the lane. We will never win in a contest against people in cars. Keep them happy and we will all be better off.
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I like the Euro method - get by you as quickly as possible while giving you what little space you need. They can keep their hands off the horn. And yeah if people are cool (i especially like it when they turn their brights off at night), they get a thumbs-up.
Ahhhhh! The brights at night! I hate that! Major pet peeve of mine. And kudos to the nice folks who turn them off.

I always try to give a finger wiggle at minimum to nice motorists.
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I appreciate correct spelling too. "Courteous"
I was really gonna go ballistic when I read this,
then I saw you corrected your own mistake. . .
I too appreciate courteous drivers, and yeah I believe that
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I find that if you show drivers that you are aware of the road rules, that 'share the road' goes both ways, then they appreciate it. If I'm approaching an intersection and I show that I'm slowing down and braking, the drivers who want to turn will generally just wave me across rather than wait. They appreciate it when you make it clear that you obey the rules. When they wave me across, I'll wave back in appreciation. Same with school buses. If I'm behind a school bus and its 'stop' signal is on, I'll stop. Often, the drivers will wave me past if the coast is clear, and I'll wave back at them.

OTOH, if someone is rude, insults or abuses me verbally I'll flip them the bird, do a bronx cheer or let loose a string of invective- but only if they do it first.
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OTOH, if someone is rude, insults or abuses me verbally I'll flip them the bird, do a bronx cheer or let loose a string of invective- but only if they do it first.
Should I really ask what a 'bronx cheer' is?
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I find that if you show drivers that you are aware of the road rules, that 'share the road' goes both ways, then they appreciate it.
Really? I mean, I don't doubt what you believe here or disagree with it. But frankly, I find most drivers to be way too self-absorbed to even notice what's going on around them anywhere outside their vehicle to appreciate anything outside of it. Almost by definition, most accidents would not occur (with bicyclists or others) if drivers would just notice what's going on around them (only a psychopath would purposely not avoid an accident they noticed was unfolding).

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OTOH, if someone is rude, insults or abuses me verbally I'll flip them the bird, do a bronx cheer or let loose a string of invective- but only if they do it first.
I hear ya there. I'm not perfect, but often during my rides I could sanctimoniously point out what others (drivers, pedestrians, other cyclists) are doing that is potential dangerous. But my rule is always not to say anything back unless they start up first (and even then I usually let it go).

It's surprising, though, how many people are just shocked and flabbergasted that you might say something back to them when they say something not-so-kind to begin with. I mean, what do these people expect?
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The ones that beep the horn to let you know they're behind you, and are passing.
I HATE when cars come up behind you and honk.I know they are 'letting me know they are there' but I would just as soon pass on being startled.All I can do is hold my line whether they are there or not.
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I HATE when cars come up behind you and honk.I know they are 'letting me know they are there' but I would just as soon pass on being startled.All I can do is hold my line whether they are there or not.
Same here: if it's safe to pass, then pass. If it's not, then don't. But you don't have to honk. I find that nothing but startling, too. It also makes me have to turn around to see what the driver wants, which in and of itself isn't very safe and something I shouldn't have to do.
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Same here: if it's safe to pass, then pass. If it's not, then don't. But you don't have to honk. I find that nothing but startling, too. It also makes me have to turn around to see what the driver wants, which in and of itself isn't very safe and something I shouldn't have to do.
Living on the Gold Coast for the last eight years and having to deal with dole-bludging surfies and ute driving rednecks, I've actually learned not to be startled to often when this happens (although I lapse occasionally). I never turn around either, I just concentrate on where I'm riding at the time, holding a consistent line, avoiding potholes etc. And before anybody asks, no, I haven't been run down yet.

My policy on verbal abuse and such is the same. It's happened that many times now that I'm totally desensitised to it. I no longer care. I can honestly say that it's about two years since the last time I even reacted to it.
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I appreciate courteous drivers too, and . . .Unfortunately, the seem to be a minority around here...
Wow! A lot of you are saying that. I guess I don't realize how good I have it! Around here (rural Pennsylvania) most drivers are very courteous and understanding. Sometimes they are too cautious and just keep following along behind even though I have pulled over to the side.

On 2 occasions I took the lane on a blind curve, I held up my hand behind me in a “Stop” motion and held the lane while the car behind me slowed to my 14 mph. When it was clear, I waved them on and pulled over. Each time I got a big wave and friendly honk as the car passed.

Yep - I LOVE rural, central Pa - many quiet roads, with pastoral scenery and friendly motorists. It’s a hidden (often overlooked) treasure.
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I was really gonna go ballistic when I read this,
then I saw you corrected your own mistake. . .
I too appreciate courteous drivers, and yeah I believe that
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Ha, ha! Yeah, I was ready to burn, too, when I saw the first response to a thread on courtesy was a snide remark about spelling! Glad it was just a self-correction by the author!

And Chris, a Bronx Cheer (also known as a razzberry) is when you stick out your tongue and go"Pppppthbbpbpbpbpbbppb!"
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Ha, ha! Yeah, I was ready to burn, too, when I saw the first response to a thread on courtesy was a snide remark about spelling! Glad it was just a self-correction by the author
The way some get excited about spelling around here, I'm glad you can't hear me try to pronounce some of the French, Italian and more than likely Japanese products Hey!,Why should I just butcher English?
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and go"Pppppthbbpbpbpbpbbppb!"
Are you sure that spelling is correct?
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Amerpie you've got it! Wave to all of them. If some one shouts wave and say hi. Wasn't it hello that they yelled?
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Are you sure that spelling is correct?
Hmmm, well, let me see--

(Sticks tongue out at Mike R)

"PPPPPTHBBPBPBPBPBBPPB!"

Yep, got it right the first time.
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This morning I took a long detour into work on the Yolo Co. side of the Sacramento River. I was probably passed by 20 cars: 19 very courteous drivers, some of whom gave me the entire lane; and 1 very angry, not-so-courteous driver.

Although the two lane road was empty and I was riding fairly close to the line, he buzzed my elbow with the mirror. He must have seen me, because he saw me in his rearview mirror when I held up my hands six inches apart. He slams on his brakes and waits for me to ride up.

I said, "Hi, next time I just need three feet." He launches into a very angry stream of bad words, ending with "you should be riding on the bike path."

I said, trying to remain calm, "The bike path doesn't go to my office. And this is a county road. I am entitled to ride here. All you have to do is pass safely."
More bad words, and squealing of tires.

So, I was thinking of this thread and convincing myself to appreciate the nice ones and to ignore the jerks. Illigitimi non carborundum.
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Isn't bronx cheer spelled "THBBBT"?

I agree drivers are really self absorbed ,especially here in Montreal where self absorption and obliviousness are part of the game, but I find that SOME drivers do appreciate it when they see you aren't just dashing through a stop sign. If you show you are slowing down or about to stop, often they just wave you through. It's psychology.
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Although the two lane road was empty and I was riding fairly close to the line, he buzzed my elbow with the mirror. He must have seen me, because he saw me in his rearview mirror when I held up my hands six inches apart. He slams on his brakes and waits for me to ride up.

I said, "Hi, next time I just need three feet." He launches into a very angry stream of bad words, ending with "you should be riding on the bike path."

I said, trying to remain calm, "The bike path doesn't go to my office. And this is a county road. I am entitled to ride here. All you have to do is pass safely."
More bad words, and squealing of tires.

You're a pretty brave guy. I would never stop to allow a motorist to confront me (and I'm no small guy, either: 240 pounds).

Motorists who do that are fools. If you threaten and/or assault a bicyclist (and that includes even hindering their proceeding on their trip), you are asking to get your ass kicked. You never know who knows what or what kind of temper or fear people have when you threaten them.
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Not brave. I was on a levee road and had nowhere to go except into the river or ditch. Even if I'd turned around, if he was intent on harm, he could have just made a U-turn and run me down anyway.
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