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Old 09-12-06, 06:13 AM   #1
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Bad day: hit by a car twice

http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld...e/15495231.htm

Bicyclist awaiting ambulence hit again
Associated Press

GREENVILLE, S.C. - A driver has been charged with leaving the scene of an accident with injuries after her car hit a bicyclist who was in the road waiting on an ambulance to treat him for injuries after being hit by another car.

Shannon Harris of Anderson turned herself in to investigators Sunday night after initially leaving the scene of the accident, said Lance Cpl. Kathy Hiles, a spokeswoman for the Highway Patrol.

The bike rider, whose name has not been released, was in serious condition at Anderson Area Medical Center, Hiles said. He was not wearing a helmet and his bike lacked proper lighting, Hiles said.

The bicyclist was hit first by a Nissan driven by Erin Hartness of Anderson, Hiles said. No charges were filed in that case.

While he was waiting in the road for an ambulance, the bicyclist was hit by the second car, whose driver stopped for a moment before leaving the scene.
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Old 09-12-06, 06:21 AM   #2
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Another reason to wear reflective clothing I guess. Not only is it more likely that drivers will avoid you but also they won't have another go at you after you have already been hit. It sounds like the first driver might be in the clear as the story indicates that the cyclist wasn't properly kitted out with reflectors and lights. The second driver, however, is a class A squirrel.
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Old 09-12-06, 06:36 AM   #3
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that's terrible.

i'm all for reflective gear now.


at least it wasn't the same car, eh?
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Old 09-12-06, 08:52 AM   #4
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Wow !! I feel bad for the cyclist but.......

No lighting, no helmet.
This sure does suggest that reflective clothing might have been a big help.

It said he was waiting in the road. He should have been waiting off the road. Maybe he was injured and could not move around, so it might not have been possible.
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Old 09-12-06, 10:39 AM   #5
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I've seen some cyclists riding at night w/o reflectors, lights, and are wearing dark clothing. Some even go on the wrong side of the road. Sometimes it's VERY difficult to see them while driving, so I'm not surprised that these riders get hit...
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I almost hit a cop who was standing in the middle of the road once. He was a very dark skinned African-American in a black uniform. He had no flashlight or reflective clothing or anything. He had his car parked on the side of the road with the high beams shining right into my eyes and the lights on top flashing.

I was approaching the scene very slowly (fortunately) and this guy was standing in the middle of my lane. I absolutely did not see him until I was literally about a foot shy of hitting him.

He got all pissy with me...had his hand on his pistol, snarling at me, threatening to shoot me, etc.

Got really pissy when I told him I hadn't seen him. Said I should have heard him yelling at me to stop.

I didn't. I guess it might have something to do with the fact that my windows were up and the A/C was on full blower as this was the middle of August in Jackson, MS.

Fortunately, I didn't hit him and he didn't shoot me or my wife (who was in the passenger seat).

God I'm glad I no longer live in Jackson. What a hell-hole!
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Old 09-12-06, 01:52 PM   #7
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Sadly, a lot of bicyclists in Austin think the factory-installed front reflector and rear reflector that comes with a bike is the needed night equipment. The reflectors are there to placate some lame law passed back in the 70s or earlier, and are worthless for being seen at night.

One trick I'm pondering with my new commute bike once I start night riding is to have two LED-based lights on the back. One stays solid, the other flashes. The flashing LCDs get attention, and the other one allows drivers to figure out distance and size of what the lights are attached to. Flashing lights get the driver's attention, but don't communicate how far the bicyclist is ahead, while solid lights give position, but could be dismissed as something else.


In any case, I hope this bicyclist who got hit twice pulls though.
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I've seen some cyclists riding at night w/o reflectors, lights, and are wearing dark clothing. Some even go on the wrong side of the road. Sometimes it's VERY difficult to see them while driving, so I'm not surprised that these riders get hit...
Yup.

I'm the first to damn cagers for driving too damn fast for conditions, and not paying attention to the road, but "cyclists" like this are asking to be turned into road-burgers.
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In the winter, on dark mornings I regularly see several bikes riders. They all want to be seen and most now have two LED's on the front- one of which is flashing. Hate to say it though that rear lights just are not powerful enough- Except for one rider that has so many leds on the back of his bike you cannot miss him.

I do ride at night on the tandem and we have to do some road work before the muddy stuff. We have two lights on the back- a basic cateye that is the back up and a top rated 5 led lamp that is high up on the bike. Surprising thing is that we can be seen for miles in the dark- but with street lighting- we often get cars running very close to us and get the odd comment of get a rear light.

Then on top of this- we have clothing that may be dark, but has the reflective strips in it. We tried yellow tops- but in the Sodium? street lights- we merged into the background- so we have gone back to the reflective strips.

Car drivers are a menace- some of them do not even think about cycles. They do not see them and cannot hear the scrape of a helmet across the bonnet.
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In the winter, on dark mornings I regularly see several bikes riders. They all want to be seen and most now have two LED's on the front- one of which is flashing. Hate to say it though that rear lights just are not powerful enough- Except for one rider that has so many leds on the back of his bike you cannot miss him.

I do ride at night on the tandem and we have to do some road work before the muddy stuff. We have two lights on the back- a basic cateye that is the back up and a top rated 5 led lamp that is high up on the bike. Surprising thing is that we can be seen for miles in the dark- but with street lighting- we often get cars running very close to us and get the odd comment of get a rear light.

Then on top of this- we have clothing that may be dark, but has the reflective strips in it. We tried yellow tops- but in the Sodium? street lights- we merged into the background- so we have gone back to the reflective strips.

Car drivers are a menace- some of them do not even think about cycles. They do not see them and cannot hear the scrape of a helmet across the bonnet.
re: rear lights

There's been some discussion of this recently in the Commuter forum. General consensus is that you need higher-powered lighting in the rear...even 5-LED lights aren't good enough.

The Cateye TLD1000 and the newer (and cheaper) Planet Bike Blinky Superflash are considered to be two of the best available. They're even visible in daylight.

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Old 09-13-06, 11:12 AM   #11
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I've seen some cyclists riding at night w/o reflectors, lights, and are wearing dark clothing. Some even go on the wrong side of the road. Sometimes it's VERY difficult to see them while driving, so I'm not surprised that these riders get hit...
Yeah, I've seen and almost hit these too while out riding! They're like shadows!!!
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I've got 2 Planet Bike blinkies,and they're brighter than my Blackburn and Cateye. They must use better LED's. One of my riding group uses one of these:
http://www.serfas.com/lights/TL-1000.shtml

It's somewhat painful to be behind him. That Superflash looks pretty neat,but I have to wonder if the 1/2W LS gets hots with extended use.
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No excuse for bike riders not using every means possible to be visible, but that does not make it ok for automobile drivers to drive faster than they can see. Deer are everywhere now, they are camoflaged by nature, and you should drive only as far as you can see in front of you and react to stop safely.

One of my pet peeves is silver or gray cars in rain/mist/fog driving without headlights. Doesn't give me an excuse to hit them.

That said, anyone riding at night or in adverse weather without all the "LOOK AT ME I AM ON A BIKE" gear and lights is asking for trouble, and will soon find it.

When I rode motorcycles, a lot of us would fit stobe lights (very small ones) in our turn signals, and set them up for a left-right pattern to use as 4 way flashers if on the roadside, or if being tailgated. I'd love to do something like that for my bike, much brighter than an LED. Even so, some cage drivers have trouble seeing trains and tractor trailers, so you still need to assume everyone is out to kill you.

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Funny thing about the cop there and I will follow with a true story.

One night an off duty Workplace Health and Safety Officer was driving home a little too fast and got pulled over by a police officer and handed a speeding ticket. The driver, admittedly had no excuse and took the speeding ticket. He then leaned over his seat and grabbed his book, and, being a Health and Safety Officer wrote the policer officer a fine for not wearing a high visibility vest or other appropriate clothing at night. The health and safety fine was over the amount of the speeding ticket.
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Funny thing about the cop there and I will follow with a true story.

One night an off duty Workplace Health and Safety Officer was driving home a little too fast and got pulled over by a police officer and handed a speeding ticket. The driver, admittedly had no excuse and took the speeding ticket. He then leaned over his seat and grabbed his book, and, being a Health and Safety Officer wrote the policer officer a fine for not wearing a high visibility vest or other appropriate clothing at night. The health and safety fine was over the amount of the speeding ticket.
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Hmmmm....... I'm trying to find something optimistic about this horror of a day that guy had.


All I can think of is.....


At least he didn't get hit twice, by the same car. Then, you know they really were out to get you.
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