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Old 09-13-06, 03:53 PM   #1
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Wal-Mart found not guilty

Follow up on the lawsuit against Wal-Mart: Marin County Superior Ct. -- 10 minors injured on Wal-Mart bikes. Injuries alleged due to defective quick-release wheels (May-Carmen v. Wal-Mart Stores, Inc.). Verdict for defense.
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SprWal Mart IS guilty...maybe not of selling defective bikes, but they are criminals.....

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Whatever happened to personal responsibility? IMO, you get what you paid for. If you buy junk don't be surprised if it fails. End of lesson.

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WalMart Rocks. Just contributed to the WalMart World Domination effort last night with the purchase of a new video game. While I was there I picked up a new digital camera. A nice button down shirt. Candy bar and soda.

It's a store.
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If you're gonna sue Walmart, don't sue them for selling properly functioning quick releases...
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WalMart Rocks. Just contributed to the WalMart World Domination effort last night with the purchase of a new video game. While I was there I picked up a new digital camera. A nice button down shirt. Candy bar and soda.

It's a store.
I know man. It's not like they purposely understaff stores, force workers to work off the clock, advocate medicaid and other government funded health programs for their workers, own factories in South America and China that verge on slave labor, force workers to work overtime without overtime pay, ruin local business and town vitality, or break numerous environmental laws. I mean come on.
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I know man. It's not like they purposely understaff stores, force workers to work off the clock, advocate medicaid and other government funded health programs for their workers, own factories in South America and China that verge on slave labor, force workers to work overtime without overtime pay, ruin local business and town vitality, or break numerous environmental laws. I mean come on.
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I know man. It's not like they purposely understaff stores, force workers to work off the clock, advocate medicaid and other government funded health programs for their workers, own factories in South America and China that verge on slave labor, force workers to work overtime without overtime pay, ruin local business and town vitality, or break numerous environmental laws. I mean come on.
You forgot to mention big pockets too. Therefore they must be guilty of any and every thing. String 'em up, eh? Sounds like an Internet lynch mob on this forum. better hope you never become a defendent anywhere for anything.
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You @sshole. What the h3ll are you doing being reasonable and rational?


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You forgot to mention big pockets too. Therefore they must be guilty of any and every thing. String 'em up, eh? Sounds like an Internet lynch mob on this forum. better hope you never become a defendent anywhere for anything.
Walmart's business practices are fairly well-documented. Go to the web site of any reputable news agency and run a search for "Walmart" and see what comes up. Honestly, I think some of you guys would eat newborn babies as long as you didn't have to look at the slaughterhouse they came from.
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Would those be in the toddler or food section ?
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I know man. It's not like they purposely understaff stores, force workers to work off the clock, advocate medicaid and other government funded health programs for their workers, own factories in South America and China that verge on slave labor, force workers to work overtime without overtime pay, ruin local business and town vitality, or break numerous environmental laws. I mean come on.
Nobody forces a person to work at WalMart.
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Would those be in the toddler or food section ?
They're next to the Git 'R' Done merchandise aisle, in between the fat guy on the Hoverround and the lady with the oxygen tank smoking Camels.
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Folks, the court said you can't hold the retailer or manufactuer liable if the consumer neglects to read the directions. A kin to sueing GE beacuse your microwave won't work because you didn't close the door.
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For the right-wing wingnuts who devote some much effort to being corporate apologists, the answer to every question is "Big Corporations are God, and American consumers deserve whatever cr#*%p the "Big Corporations" gave them, whether it is working 50 hours, and being paid for 40 hours, or it is $60 "mountain bikes" that send your kid to the ER or the graveyard the first time he is silly enough to actually ride it on any surface more challenging than a church parking lot.

Yeah, once again "Rush is Right". It is the parents' fault that the quick releases came open and their kids ended up killed or crippled. Every parent follows their eight year old around on each bike ride, and checks the quick releases daily to verify they are closed according to the manufacturer's instructions. Sure thing...

Never mind the fact that about half the times I get my bike back from the shop, the techs have closed the quick release incorrectly. Every member of this Forum claims to be an expert on the four steps required to ensure that a quick release can not fail, therefore every Wal-Mart shopper ought to be an expert on the use of a quick release. Wal-Mart shoppers are VERY sophisticated bike experts...



The REAL Schwinn company (the one that built bikes in Chicago from 1895 to 1985) NEVER put a quick release on a bike designed for an eight year old. I wonder why?

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Folks, the court said you can't hold the retailer or manufactuer liable if the consumer neglects to read the directions. A kin to sueing GE beacuse your microwave won't work because you didn't close the door.
Aw cmon...lets leave common sense out of this.

Its MUCH more entertaining hearing childish rantings about EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVVVVVVVVVIL Walmart and other BIG EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVVVVVVVVVVVIL corporations! Capitalism sux! YEAH!

The cause man....its all about the CAUSE!

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Nobody forces a person to work at WalMart.

People in a small town have no choice BUT to work at Walmart if it put all of the other places that are owned by families are put out of business. There is no longer a small town feel or atmosphere to that town. The old timers that started those businesses see their dreams go down the tubes and cannot watch as their children or grandchildren carry on the "family name" of said ownership. Walmart becomes the only place to shop, the only place to work. Sure, there are OTHER different places to be employed, but because of low wages, there are those that chose to stay because of the discounts they get for being an employee. They cannot afford to work anywhere else. Or move anywhere else.
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I wonder who that manufacturer might be that both liberals and Democrats would say is a really great company? Maybe there's some French vintner out there where the president gets paid the least of anyone, all the shareholders go to prison for insider trading, and the workers get a month off for vacation every year and all the red wine their families can drink.
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Folks, the court said you can't hold the retailer or manufactuer liable if the consumer neglects to read the directions. A kin to sueing GE beacuse your microwave won't work because you didn't close the door.
Okay, okay, I'll leave out the long list of other reasons Walmart sucks just to focus in on this particular one-their bicycles, (and it's really sad we have to go through this on a cycling website where most of the posters here should recognize crap when they see it.)

The big tobacco companies have been successfully prosecuted over the years, not so much for selling a harmful product, but because they have actively misinformed the public over the years, from commercials with Desi Arnaz telling Americans that cigarrettes cured colds, (not an exaggeration,) to hiring their own doctors for medical disinformation campaigns. I myself smoke a cigar every now and again, I don't think tobacco and it's use is evil, but I do think lying to the public about things that are potentially harmful to them is a grounds for a lawsuit if there ever was one.

What does this have to do with Walmart bicycles? Glad you asked. Look at this, taken directly from Walmart's website:


Looks like a mountain bike, doesn't it? Her's what it says:

"Make molehills out of mountains with Roadmaster's Mt. Fury bike. With a beefy oversized fork, high-tensity frame and 15-speed shifting, you'll overcome the obstacles and make it to the top of the hill. The handcrafted frame carries the confidence of a lifetime warranty."

Wow! Sounds like a really tough bike, perfect for trails and drops, and all that other cool stuff MTBs are supposed to do, right? Here are the specs for this awesome bike:

# Sizing Information: Age Range: Adult (15 years and up)
# Wheel Size: 26 inches Key Features:
# Handcrafted, high-tensity steel frame and fork
# 15-speed, rear-index shifting with torque drive
# Front and rear steel caliper brakes
# Anatomically-padded sport saddle
# Element Brand MTB all-terrain bar and stem Specs:
# Frame: Handcrafted, oversized, high-tensity, steel frame
# Fork: Oversized, high-tensity, steel rigid fork
# Handlebar/Stem: Element Brand MTB all-terrain bar and stem
# Shifters: Torque-drive, 15-speed, rear-index shifting
# Derailleurs: 15-speed, torque-drive derailleurs
# Brakes: Front and rear steel caliper brakes
# Levers: High-impact, resin brake levers
# Crank: 1-piece, hot-forged, steel crank set
# Freewheel: 5-speed 14-28T index freewheel
# Rims: Silver, powder-coated, 36-spoke rims
# Hubs: MTB all-terrain hubs
# Tires: 26" x 1.95" MTB all-terrain tires
# Seat: Anatomically-padded sport saddle
# Warranty: Lifetime warranty on frame, 1 year on fork and components
Speeds: 15-speed, rear-index shifting with torque drive
Frame: Handcrafted high-tensity steel frame (Must be a BabelFish thing, I've never heard of this type of steel. )
Brake type: Front and rear caliper brakes
Bike Type: Mountain
Shipping Weight (in pounds): 45.0
Assembled in Country of Origin: USA and/or Imported
Origin of Components: Imported


Geez, it's only $53, too, where's my wallet?

But there's just one problem-these bikes are reasonable facsimiles to the untrained eye(like those of children or uninformed parents,) of real mountain bikes, but they are not made to handle actual trail use. They will break. If you do not believe me, it will say on the assembly instructions for the bicycle itself, if not on the paper insert that goes into the spokes WARNING: Not intended for trail use.

So one needs to ask themself, why does the advertising say one thing, and the assembly instructions say another? Also, why is anyone surprised by a lawsuit since this is the case? What sucks is that a kid somewhere is all fired up about getting a mountain bike so he can be the next Jeff Lanosky, but he cracks the fork in two the first time he attempts to ride on a trail. He busts his head open, and decides to try skateboarding instead.

This isn't the same as the lady with the McDonald's coffee that sued because she got burned, people. This is more like if she ordered an ice-cold Coke, McDonald's said here's "Here's your Coke," and she proceeded to drink scalding-hot coffee through a straw.

I know all you corporate shills and Libertarian nuts are going to try to characterize me as Hugo Chavez and Jane Fonda's love-child, but the truth is, I'm all for free markets, but there are laws to protect citizens that are there for a reason, and there are recourses people can take when they feel like a company is responsible for harm that has come to them. If a burglar broke into your home, and you tried to shoot him with the nifty cheap gun you just bought, and a stream of water came out...well, if you survive, it'd probably be a good idea to find a good lawyer and sue the pants off whoever sold you that gun. If you take your old, dusty history textbook out of the closet, and look in the index for "Robber Barons," it might behoove you to read up on a very important era of our history.

I doubt any of you wingnuts will actually respond to this post with anything but misdirection and shell-games,though, that tends to be all you guys are good at.
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I actually sat in township meetings with WAL*MART lawyers in Penna.
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Werd. It's not like K-mart, Target, etc... don't get the same chit made in China/South America. It's not like they're paying their employees significantly more, etc... Wally's World just happen to be the most effective at cutting costs, but it's not like other companies don't do eet. I wouldn't be surpised if a lot of the anti-Wally's World crap was funded by competitors. It's kinda like saying a hybrid is so much better than a small car... Sure, it's ~20-40% better, but it's still way more than people need most of the time. Just like Wally's World is 20% eviler than the other major competitors, but if someone's really concerned about the evil rating, they should look into minimizing consumption/alternatives, not responding out of some personal guilt. Don'be'll "Yay, I just required 21.65% fewer sweat shop workers in the making of my crappy T-Shirt!"

Thrift store mother****er!

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