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Old 09-20-06, 07:54 AM   #51
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Fatsoforgotso, your dog situation is what I call "repeat offenders". You know their bad habits; you know where they are. Good 'ol household ammonia in a squirt bottle does the trick. Once dosed, they'll remember. Everyone walks away safely. Reading some of the posts above, occurs to me a little virtual ammonia might be good.
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So, instead of saying we are all sick for wanting to keep our legs intact and our bikes from getting messed up come up with a solution.
The way I see it, and I'm thinking most others are, if a dog is aggressive toward a human there is a good chance that the owner of the dog is either also aggressive, or just doesn't give a crap about what the dog might do to a cyclist.
Cyclists should be allowed to enjoy a bike ride without having to worry that a dog is going to appear from nowhere, chase them down and take a chunk out of the leg, get under a wheel causing an accident and road rash or just scaring the living chit out of them!

My husband was chomped on by a dog and the owner was 'sorry' but it didn't keep the dog on a lead the next time we went by the house.
A friend did the go-to-the-door-and-talk-to-the-owner thing and the owenr came to the door with a shotgun.
What should people do?
Come up with some suggestions and some if/then statements.

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I'd suggest finding out what you can about shotgun guy. In general police don't like stuff like that. If I were in a nasty mood I'd get the right backup and then take the puppies for a walk near his house.

What ever you try you have to be ready to take it to the conclusion. If you start down a confrontational route with this kind of person you can not afford to back down.
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Is it such an exotic idea for some people to keep their dog on a leash if he's untrained and uncontrollable?
Over the course of a 18Km ride this morning, I've had a Bullmastiff go across the road to check me out, several muts barking like mad and trying to jump the fence of their cottages, and finally the cherry on top of the cake: a german shepherd and some other dog chased me at high speed over 150m (sprint training).
Just 2 weeks ago I was chased by no less than 3 dogs at once, while passing a run-down house.
On both instances of being chased by dogs, the owners were old ladies. Coincidence?
Pepper spray has just become a controlled weapon in this country. Must I wait until I get bitten to put a knife through the top of the dog's skull? Or should I go straight for the old bag that owns said dog and hit her with an ASP baton? Cheez...

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I once knew a cyclist who carried in one of his bottle cages a restaurant mustard dispenser bottle. But let me tell you his mustard was pretty potent. He used some sort of red pepper hot sauce and mustard. I can only imagine that tobasco sauce mixed with mustard or something else would be potent (have you ever wiped your eye accidentally after having gotten tobasco on it? Ouch!). Anyway, condiments (hot sauce with peppers) and window washing solution (ammonia) can be your friend. If you went the ammonia route you could carry a small squeegee just to add to the believability.

Another option would be do something to the dog which would not hurt the dog for too long but would cost the owner a vet trip or some other inconvenience to rectify, similar to a skunk attack. Too bad you can't bottle skunk stink, or get a sprayer that mounts on the back of your seat.
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Pure Ammonia in a spray bottle will stop a dog instantly if
sprayed in the nose or eyes. If the owners b!tch just remind
them that you could have used a gun to defend yourself.
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If I get chased, and it's not a pit bull or a rotweiller, I stop, get off the bike and kick the crap out of the dog. It relieves mucho stress and the dog owner doesn't let it out anymore. When confronted, most dogs are cowards. bk
why don't you kick a pit bull or rotweiller?
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If I get chased, and it's not a pit bull or a rotweiller, I stop, get off the bike and kick the crap out of the dog. It relieves mucho stress and the dog owner doesn't let it out anymore. When confronted, most dogs are cowards. bk
Would you kick an Akita or an American Bulldog?
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I'd suggest finding out what you can about shotgun guy. In general police don't like stuff like that.
well no matter how much they may "don't like stuff like that" there is nothing they can do about it providing person is legal to own said gun.
I myself have answered my door with a pistol in hand before.
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well no matter how much they may "don't like stuff like that" there is nothing they can do about it providing person is legal to own said gun.
I myself have answered my door with a pistol in hand before.

Me too and I had to fire it as my friend almost squirted me first. I think I was 8.
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Pure Ammonia in a spray bottle will stop a dog instantly if
sprayed in the nose or eyes. If the owners b!tch just remind
them that you could have used a gun to defend yourself.
Or spray the owner too.
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Too bad you can't bottle skunk stink, or get a sprayer that mounts on the back of your seat.
Now this is the most brilliant idea I have heard yet. You can bet dog owners would start leashing up their pups if once a week they got sprayed by a "skunk."
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a vet with questionable morals might be able to collect skunk stink into some sort of squirting device, like a ketchup packet with a weak corner so you just need to squeeze it for 3 to 4 foot squirt... or what about those tiny stink bombs? in school kids were always tossing them in locker rooms, school busses, bathrooms, teacher's desks, etc... they carry a nasty stink for quite a while, you could put a few vials into a squirt bottle full of water and maybe even ammonia (if it didn't kill the stink) and have a concoction that would stop the dog in its tracks and annoy the owner later too. by the way, i have a shiba inu puppy, he's still learning about people, he used to attack/investigate everyone, which could include jumping on, biting, pawing, standing 5 feet away and barking, or just sniffing. ive heard these dogs are trainable but can be handfuls. he's getting better, now he's mostly interested in children that make loud noises, joggers, cyclists, and anyone else doing anything interesting, he ignores people just standing or walking around. however, if he pulled his head through his leash and took off and actually was going to attack someone they are free to kick him or whatever, i'd rather a cyclist kick him in the head than my dog biting a cyclist and causing him to wreck and a car swerve around him and hit a minivan full of children or something. though when i walk him around people he has a 4 foot regular leash and a snuggly fitted harness so he isn't going anywhere. when theres no one around in a big park on the outskirts of the county he has a 26ft leash and sometimes just a regular collar, or even no collar, but never if people are anywhere near, he's a cute puppy but still an idiot.
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Tink'sŪ #10 Skunk Cover Scent
Full strength 100% natural skunk. 1 oz. bottle cover scent with scent bomb.


http://www.basspro.com/servlet/catal...rTarget=browse

I've used skunk for a cover scent while bowhunting for deer. You DO NOT want to get this on your skin if you plan to be around any other people in the next few days.

Raccoon urine is equally noxious.
http://www.basspro.com/servlet/catal...rTarget=browse

As is red fox urine
http://www.basspro.com/servlet/catal...mCat=CROSSSELL

If you decide to go this route, you very, very much want to be outside to mess with this stuff. And it don't just wash off.

Good luck.
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Now this is the most brilliant idea I have heard yet. You can bet dog owners would start leashing up their pups if once a week they got sprayed by a "skunk."
I like that idea! I have two fair sized dogs. They once had a run in with a skunk and got sprayed. It really did not bother them at all, but it bothered us and it was a couple of hours of work (even more elapsed time to get teh right stuff) to get them cleaned. Leaving them uncleaned was not an option. This seems to me to be a fair way to go after the owners.
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Tink'sŪ #10 Skunk Cover Scent
Full strength 100% natural skunk. 1 oz. bottle cover scent with scent bomb.


http://www.basspro.com/servlet/catal...rTarget=browse

I've used skunk for a cover scent while bowhunting for deer. You DO NOT want to get this on your skin if you plan to be around any other people in the next few days.

Ooh! Now to find a high end squirt gun that does not leak on your fingers! Hmmm, what if I modified an Air zound horn so that as well as emitting a loud noise it squirted liquid and I could mount the horn under my seat aimed backwards! A skunk that can yell at 110 decibals! I name it the stinkadogalizer! Now to find a black jersey with a white stripe up the back.
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when i was little my dad and i were on a ride and a big dog came out and tried to attack us and we we're trying to get outta dodge and the dog got my dad's back wheel, popped the tire, and pulled the tire off the rim. i don't remember what happened after that because i was hauling butt home. he said he got of the bike with the bike between him and the dog and swung it at him and shouted and the dog left.
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That is right. It is just a dog, doing what a dog does. All this big talk of beating dogs for being dogs, why don't you idiots grow a pair and deal with the real problem, THE OWNER.
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Me too and I had to fire it as my friend almost squirted me first. I think I was 8.
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Raccoon urine is equally noxious.
Mmmm .....raccoon urine......
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Mmmm .....raccoon urine......
I'd be real careful with raccoon urine. My beta dog really loves raccoons, he thinks they are yummy. If you spilled any on you he might think you were a raccoon.
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Most dog owners- nice or not- seem to be not the slightest bit concerned about where their dogs crap or how much they bark or what dangers they may pose. There are of course the odd exceptions, but that is almost as certain as death and taxes.

Now I have no problem killing a dog if it is endagering my life or my family's lives, but I would like to avoid the whole situation altogether. So the urine and the skunk still puts me too close.

As anyone tried a product like this or similar with success?

http://www.shopfromyourhome.com/Merc...=Dog_Deterrent

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Haven't tried it, Marleetet, but it's been discussed here, before. As I recall, it sometimes works on dogs away from home, but not often on dogs that think they are in their own territory.
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"God damned dogs and their owners"

Which God are you invoking?
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"God damned dogs and their owners" Which God are you invoking?
The one that's "DOG" spelled backwards...
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"God damned dogs and their owners"

Which God are you invoking?
The one that beats animals senseless with an olive wood stick.



Actually, there's plenty of olive trees around here. I'm gonna get me one of those and attach it to the bike frame. If it works on hydras, it works on dogs and their owners.
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The one that beats animals senseless with an olive wood stick.



Actually, there's plenty of olive trees around here. I'm gonna get me one of those and attach it to the bike frame. If it works on hydras, it works on dogs and their owners.
yeah if you don't eat it first deah "fatso" the clown
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