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Old 09-28-06, 02:58 PM   #126
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Nevermind. This was going to be quite a bit longer, but any reply to that would be a rediculous waste of my time.
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Old 09-28-06, 03:28 PM   #127
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>> Just remember that people are the MOST viscious animal species of all.

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It is really hard for a dog to bite a moving,pedaling rider.Running into something!!

OK, I am very fond of dogs/cats and have always had them.We had up to 20 beagles at a time when I was a kid. In general, I'm not scared of most dogs.
I have been chased by dogs while riding maybe 100+ times over 50 years.I have never been bitten while riding. IT IS REALLY HARD FOR A TO BITE YOU WHILE YOU ARE RIDING. I understand you(some of you) are scared of the dog, but it is really tricky for him to get a solid bite on a rapidly moving foot leg that is moving away from him at 18-20mph while simultaneously pumping up and down 2 times a second(downshift and spin/accelerate when being chased).
Other folks have mentioned that most of the chasing dogs are just chasing-they aren't going to attempt a bite.The tiny percent that are planning a bite, will have a heck of a time managing to chomp your ankle/calf while the rear wheel/spokes are sort of protectiong you, and the pedal/crankarm are doing the same.
If you slow down or try to kick the mutt you are increasing the chance of injury.First by giving the mutt a slower moving target, and most importantly, YOU ARE TAKING YOUR EYES OFF THE ROAD/TRAFFIC ETC AND ARE MANY TIME MORE LIKELY TO WRECK AND SUFFER A SERIOUS INJURY!!!
If you are chased, increase your speed. downshift to increase you RPMS, and keep your attention on the road. I occasionally will swerve in and out to scare the mutt and to make his target solution more difficult, but I don't really suggest this for someone who is actually scared of being bitten by a scraggly mutt.Keep your eyes on the road. Call to the cops after if you feel it is important.
The overwhelming majority of dog bites on adult males while they are riding are extremely minor-getting hit by a car-very different story!!
Keep your attention on the road; call the cops later.
Luck,Charlie
PS Yes, the number of dogs out there that can do serious damage-Pitt bull types, Rotts,etc has increased, however the owners usually consider these inbred mutts to be valuable, so they don't usually run loose.Pepper spray(careful-wind) might not be such a bad idea if they are a big concern.
A dog is a domesticated animal that does what it was bred/trained to do.In general they are sweet animals that defer to humans and add to our lives( some work, some protect, some sniff out contraband, most importantly they provide uncritical companionship in a not so nice world while alerting you to intruders-"arf, arf someone is breaking in the window get the Sig "). The moron owner should be the target.Almost any dog can be a useful alarm dog and a constant "friend." An adult male in the USA is about 1000X more likely to be killed by another human than by a dog. He is More likely to die from bee stings, lightning, drowning, car wreck, hurricane, tornado, cow trampling, farming accident etc.A healthy, athletic adult male(most of us) is even less likely to be killed by dogs.
Worry about something else-call the cops as needed.Keep your eyes on the road.
Attack the owner(legally or otherwise), not the mutt.
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PS Yes, the number of dogs out there that can do serious damage-Pitt bull types, Rotts,etc has increased, however the owners usually consider these inbred mutts to be valuable, so they don't usually run loose.Pepper spray(careful-wind) might not be such a bad idea if they are a big concern.
A dog is a domesticated animal that does what it was bred/trained to do.In general they are sweet animals that defer to humans and add to our lives( some work, some protect, some sniff out contraband, most importantly they provide uncritical companionship in a not so nice world while alerting you to intruders-"arf, arf someone is breaking in the window get the Sig "). The moron owner should be the target.Almost any dog can be a useful alarm dog and a constant "friend." An adult male in the USA is about 1000X more likely to be killed by another human than by a dog. He is More likely to die from bee stings, lightning, drowning, car wreck, hurricane, tornado, cow trampling, farming accident etc.A healthy, athletic adult male(most of us) is even less likely to be killed by dogs.
Worry about something else-call the cops as needed.Keep your eyes on the road.
Attack the owner(legally or otherwise), not the mutt.
Although I agree with you on the owner taking the blame, your statistics do not account for the fact that most Americans do not walk or ride around American neighborhoods and as they are in their cars, usually the dog is on the losing end of that encounter. Being a minority who rides bicycles probably skews those statistics a bit. As for hurting a dog, I have never had to go past a firm yell or a loud growl myself except for an incident out in the country after midnight where a dog came out of nowhere without a sound and almost took me out. In that case I couldn't have done anything anyway that wouldn't be vengeful in nature.
We and Dog Owners should understand that not every cyclist is a dog expert. Some cyclists may equate a dog chase as the same danger to a man with a knife chasing them. People do funny things when they are scared and sometimes the danger gets inflated (they say funny things about things they are scared of too, interestingly). Personally, I am not much of a dog fan but I wouldn't hurt a dog if I didn't have to.
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i have come to the conclusion i am engaging with complete fools & idiots!
Now, i have no doubt now where the labels "dorks" & "nerds" for cyclists stemmed from.
No wonder why people "throw stones" at you when you ride.
Sticks & stones.....
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Old 09-29-06, 07:51 PM   #139
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Forget about the dogs, this thread is pretty viscious. I hope it doesn't chase me tomorrow.
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Forget about the dogs, this thread is pretty viscious. I hope it doesn't chase me tomorrow.
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2 legs good. 4 legs bad.
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2 legs good. 4 legs bad.
How about 3 legs(maybe you can hang off the 3rd)
Oh, go eat a nacho,,pff.
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i have come to the conclusion i am engaging with complete fools & idiots!
Now, i have no doubt now where the labels "dorks" & "nerds" for cyclists stemmed from.
No wonder why people "throw stones" at you when you ride.
Sticks & stones.....
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I don't believe I mentioned anyone throwing stones at me when I ride. Perhaps you have me confused with someone else. I haven't even been yelled at in many months now. Anyway, perhaps we should talk about dogs. You were saying Dogs = People as I read it. Incidentally if a screaming man chased me and tried to bite me, I would likely have no qualms of doing whatever it takes to defend myself against him and the law would agree. Personally I give a little more respect to people but believe senseless violence against animals is not to be tolerated either.
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I'd like to meet the girrrrrls that barked back!
And smell their asses, too!
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Paul L-yes we have more exposure

Paul L,
No question, bike riders have a lot more exposure to dogs than the average USA citizen.We probably are a lot mire likely to be chased, and bitten than the average USA male. I wonder if there has been a study that quantifies the risk of adult male riders to
1)Be chased?
2)Be bitten?
3)Be seriously bitten?
4)Be killed?
5)Be injured or killed while distracted by a dog?
I bet there is a study out there-anyone know of one?
Some dogs give me pause-a lot of pause-mainly pit bulls. Their huge head/jaw make them very powerful biters fully capable of killing/maiming a fit adult male. The inbreeding and breeding for aggression makes these poor mutts will attack an adult male. They are much more dangerous than the average dog. An average dog has been bred to defer to humans. Heck, the average wolf will never attack an adult male human. Adult males have been waaaay more than a match for a wolf for as long as we have used weapons>100,000 years and wolves know that.
The freakin inbred morons( humans) have managed to breed this fear out of the "fighting dogs." We have a fair number of these **** for brains morons in Louisiana. Even leaving aside the depravity of liking to watch dogs kill one another for fun, you would think they would realize that their killer dog would be a threat to their kids/grandkids. Of course, they say it is part of their "Culture." Duh, yeah and eating people was part of the Aztec culture; is that going to be making a comeback??
Oh well,I'm going a bit astray. Thanks,
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I have a friend who's a meter reader for the gas company who killed a pit bull while on the job. Apartment complex, nobody around, pit bull starts running towards him barking and growling and he smacks it on the side of the head with a big metal stick he carries just for that reason. Gas company policy says don't run, don't turn your back, and make lots of noise (act dominant etc.) but defend yourself if needed.

I've been chased by two dogs so far. Both times they were inside a fence but as i was going by they would dive under a hole under the fence and kept chasing... Not cool at all. I was able to outrun both but it enough to get the adrenaline going. However if it ever got to the point where i couldn't outrun the dog, throwing water bottles didn't deter the dog, and i've done everything else possible to get away and the dog did latch onto me somehow, i'm taking the dog out with whatever means possible.
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I just hope all you guys that use violent means against dogs dont have dogs or kids cause they are going to turn out as violent as you! No wonder we have so many school shootings in the states !!!! The only reason a dog will chase you is:
1. the dog just sto have fun
2. the dog feels you are invading its territory, due to the owners having them loose around the street, many times the dogs believe the street is part of their territory.

I have used the following believe or not...
1. The usual dogs that chase me now around the streets'where i commute while a bit menacing at the begining, now they been getting doggie treats from me. So they wait for me to come by, chase and once a doggie trieat is dropped they happily return to their home till next day. Now I miss them if they dont come to say hello.
2. The unknown dogs that chase me sometimes might get a treat or sometimes might get a bit of spray vinegar.

The best way to defeat your enemy is know your enemy !!!!! Read up some dog behavior books you will be able to defend yourself with your brain and not your rear i mean rifle....
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