I hope this is not a fad.
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Sounds to me like the genre-of-the-year. Bike manufacturers keep trying to invent the next "mountain bike" to open up the market to new users.
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Originally Posted by Retro Grouch
Sounds to me like the genre-of-the-year. Bike manufacturers keep trying to invent the next "mountain bike" to open up the market to new users.
I can't see the practicality of CF for a commuter frame of all things. Besides being pricey it is too fragile to take the kind of abuse that a normal commuter bike typically recieves. Give me a good old mild steel Raleigh any day What they need to be doing is looking at price points and what a typical minimum wage earner would be willing to spend. I realize that there will be a need for "re-education" in costs of a bicycle vs cost of a car, but as energy costs continue to rise they won't have many choices.
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While not earth shattering news a couple of things to note:
First, it was originally published in the Wall Street, a major publication to affluent readers. Hopefully it got widely read.
Second, Taking a peruse of bike manufactures sites does leave me with the impression that after seeing what seemed to me to be a decline in commuter specific bikes last year, it appears that there are more new models in the new lineup in a variety of material and price points. I see a lot of steel and aluminum, and while most are flat bar road bikes there are some other configurations and several with fenders, racks, lights, and chain guards.
I would consider both points a good thing.
First, it was originally published in the Wall Street, a major publication to affluent readers. Hopefully it got widely read.
Second, Taking a peruse of bike manufactures sites does leave me with the impression that after seeing what seemed to me to be a decline in commuter specific bikes last year, it appears that there are more new models in the new lineup in a variety of material and price points. I see a lot of steel and aluminum, and while most are flat bar road bikes there are some other configurations and several with fenders, racks, lights, and chain guards.
I would consider both points a good thing.
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Too utilitarian for our style oriented American public. We deserve the overpriced, finicky, uncomfortable crap that's become the norm.
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If commuter bikes get more people onto bicycles and out of their cars - YAAAAAAAAAAA!
I can tell you that lots of folks go into a bike shop these days and think that nothing in the entire shop even remotely looks like a "bicycle" as they know it. Does this keep lots of them from looking (or riding) any farther? Probably. If commuter bikes sell, fine. If they don't, then we'll all get more of the same that we've been getting over the past decade. Me; I'd prefer the variety.
I can tell you that lots of folks go into a bike shop these days and think that nothing in the entire shop even remotely looks like a "bicycle" as they know it. Does this keep lots of them from looking (or riding) any farther? Probably. If commuter bikes sell, fine. If they don't, then we'll all get more of the same that we've been getting over the past decade. Me; I'd prefer the variety.
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SB commented about the latest models of "coaster" bikes at the latest Interbike.
What is needed is both a solid product (the Ellsworth Ride with the infinite gear hub is a likely candidate), and some good marketing to sell to the average Joe Sixpack a solid commute bike. Something that is strong enough to take the daily stuff a commute bike has to, but not weigh 50 pounds and look exactly like the bikes rusting in grandpa's back yard. Maybe chuck in a gimmick or two for a perceived cool factor.
IMHO, I'm not sure how bike companies can sell "commute" bikes to average Americans who barely can tell the difference between a freeride bike and a recumbant. Its likely hard to convince Joe Sixpack to buy a bike unless it is perceived that it can bounce over boulders the size of houses, or win the Tour by just looks alone...
Maybe bike companies need to get the same marketing guys that Apple did, who turned what was a relatively fringe geek toy at the time (a MP3 player) into an electronic item that is a must have for most.
In any case, I sort of don't care what the bikes look like, if people buy them... more bikes, the more accepted it is to use them to commute, and the more facilities people will make available for bike riding at stores, offices, and other places.
What is needed is both a solid product (the Ellsworth Ride with the infinite gear hub is a likely candidate), and some good marketing to sell to the average Joe Sixpack a solid commute bike. Something that is strong enough to take the daily stuff a commute bike has to, but not weigh 50 pounds and look exactly like the bikes rusting in grandpa's back yard. Maybe chuck in a gimmick or two for a perceived cool factor.
IMHO, I'm not sure how bike companies can sell "commute" bikes to average Americans who barely can tell the difference between a freeride bike and a recumbant. Its likely hard to convince Joe Sixpack to buy a bike unless it is perceived that it can bounce over boulders the size of houses, or win the Tour by just looks alone...
Maybe bike companies need to get the same marketing guys that Apple did, who turned what was a relatively fringe geek toy at the time (a MP3 player) into an electronic item that is a must have for most.
In any case, I sort of don't care what the bikes look like, if people buy them... more bikes, the more accepted it is to use them to commute, and the more facilities people will make available for bike riding at stores, offices, and other places.
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I can't see the practicality of CF for a commuter frame of all things.
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Originally Posted by slowandsteady
Why not? My bike has CF and it is quite sturdy. I don't really understand why people think a commuter bike is subjected to any more abuse than regular road riding. A road is a road regardless of the destination.
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Originally Posted by v1k1ng1001
whatever happened to "thermoplastic"? GT used to make some LTS bikes out of thermo and they were pretty tough.
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CFRP (carbon-fiber reinforced plastic) is commonly used in industry. The technology is inexpensive, mature, and available. If bike companies don't use it, it's probably because current alternatives are lighter, cheaper, or both.
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Originally Posted by boyze
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CF is plenty strong and sturdy. Of course "commute" is different for everyone, so it is hard to make a blanket statement about it anyhow. My full "commute" (when i have the energy) is 31 miles each way. Pretty much on 2 lane rural type roads. The same roads my non-commuting "roadie" friends ride for fun. (I do too).
Now if I had a super potholed, inner city commute where I had to lock my bike outside, I wouldn't use the same bike. But like I said above, we all have different commutes to begin with.
And heck, the US is all about fads. If it takes a fad to get more people cycling, then so be it.
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Originally Posted by derath
Of course "commute" is different for everyone,
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They would have to be a better trend than those AWFUL chopper looking things I see in the local Performance bike shop. I have only seen one actually being ridden. It was on a MUP and the early teen aged guy's little sister, not much more than a toddler, was complaining that he was going too slow. He looked like he was in pain and they were probably less than a mile from their car.
Lighter versions of the bikes from the 40's and 50's would be a BIG improvement of those "chopper" pieces of junk.
Lighter versions of the bikes from the 40's and 50's would be a BIG improvement of those "chopper" pieces of junk.
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Why CF isn't a popular candidate for commuting? When commuting is heavy or the norm for inner city travel your frame tends to be nicked, kicked & abrased far more often. If there are no other or very few commuters to share a rack or pole with, CF is fine.
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Originally Posted by staehpj1
They would have to be a better trend than those AWFUL chopper looking things I see in the local Performance bike shop. I have only seen one actually being ridden. It was on a MUP and the early teen aged guy's little sister, not much more than a toddler, was complaining that he was going too slow. He looked like he was in pain and they were probably less than a mile from their car.
Lighter versions of the bikes from the 40's and 50's would be a BIG improvement of those "chopper" pieces of junk.
Lighter versions of the bikes from the 40's and 50's would be a BIG improvement of those "chopper" pieces of junk.
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Originally Posted by Lurker1999
And if it gets more people on a bike I'm all for it.
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Originally Posted by Retro Grouch
That's a really good point. I think these "new" commuter bikes are designed around a 12 block ride to a train station.
My bike in foreground at Heidelberg HauptBahnhof:
BTW many of these commuters manage to do more than a 12 block ride. Probably don't go with the club on training peloton rides in the evening with 'em though. So I can see why US cycling experts would find them less than adequate for commuting.
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Originally Posted by SamHouston
Why CF isn't a popular candidate for commuting? When commuting is heavy or the norm for inner city travel your frame tends to be nicked, kicked & abrased far more often. If there are no other or very few commuters to share a rack or pole with, CF is fine.
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Originally Posted by SamHouston
Why CF isn't a popular candidate for commuting? When commuting is heavy or the norm for inner city travel your frame tends to be nicked, kicked & abrased far more often.
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