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Old 12-12-06, 11:07 AM   #26
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Not so. Both Bregamont and Fort still make their frames in the EU and neither can be called a high end bike. I'm sure there are others as well.
Volume producer is the main thing. In the UK we have Orange- They still make some of their own frames but still outsource a fair number. Now look at the volume producers- Trek- Cannondale- Marin etc. and some of their frames will still ne made in the US. But by no means many.
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Back to the original argument. . .

If you want an American made bike, check out:

Cannondale- http://www.cannondale.com/
Quiring (Or Q-Ball frames)- http://www.quiringcycles.net/ or http://www.qballbikes.com/
Curtlo- http://www.curtlo.com/
Turner- www.turnerbikes.com
pretty much any other custom manufacture

As for Trek, but they are NOT made in America anymore. The only Trek bikes that are American made are the top of the line Madones. The TCT carbon frames are made overseas, as are all of the Top Fuels, Sessions, and Remedys. Go look at a 2007 Trek, it will have a made in Taiwan or made in China sticker on it. They do still say "designed in the US" though. The Elite hardtails may or may not be made in America as well, I'm not sure.

Anyhow, Cannondale frames are all still welded in Pennsylvania. The carbon frames are made in Asia, but they are assembled in America. Sorry, but Cannondale does NOT have a carbon facility. They are still very nice frames though.
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if you want a real workhorse made in usa bike check out ant..:

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Old 12-12-06, 12:14 PM   #29
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100% made in the US? I don't know of any.

I believe all Cannondale aluminum frames are made in the US, the carbon fiber are made overseas.
High end Treks are made in the US.

I'm sure there are others.
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Stalin was a soviet - different brand of communist misery altogether.....
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Wife has been looking for a bike (anything with an upright seating position considered and a 20-22" frame) at a reasonable price. ..... Thanks in advance!
Get your wife's posterior onto a RANS Fusion.
Kinda pricey ($950) but the riding comfort is fantastic, the weight is decent and it still looks fairly normal. Looking at it doesn't do it justice, one needs to test-ride it to understand how comfortable and effective it is. The riding position is very comfortable but (unlike with cheaper "comfort" bikes) the pedaling efficiency is still good. Other comfort bikes like the Revives, Townies, ect. simply do not compare.
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Also--the RANS frames are made in the USA. I don't know if they're painted or assembled in the USA however, and I'd bet that none of the other parts are made here either, , , -realities of the market and all being what they are. But at least she could say that much (it even has a little sticker on the frame saying that it was made in Hays, Kansas).
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The bike that cost me the most money is my Surly Pugsley that is not made in the USA and I just purchased a 21-speed aluminum 63.5cm frame road bike for $89.99 with free shipping from amazon.com that is lowest priced bike I ever purchased . If it were made in the USA it would cost many times that amount.
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As for quality of education, umm yeah.... I think average high school graduate of China, Russia, Japan is more educated then high school graduate here in good old U.S.A.
I'll argue against that claim.

Japan may have better educated high school students, but Chinese graduate engineers are below the level of our graduate engineers. Their high schools are no better, but (and here is the gotcha) they do require their college graduates to take english language... something that is not required in the US. (I find it somewhat ironically funny that so few Americans, born in the US, CAN speak a second language... puts us at a real disadvantage in the world market.)

I don't know about Russia. I would argue that German and French high school grads ARE indeed better educated than the US high school grads.
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. Meanwhile the big-3 are closing down Detroit and moving those plants to Canada and Mexico. Gives us consumers lower-prices for the same products or even lower-prices for lower-end stuff, or higher-quality at the same price, you pick.

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Keep in mind that GM, Ford and Chrysler have been building cars and trucks in Canada since the 1920s. The same downsizing that has been happening in the US has been happening here too. One of the original GM marques (McLaughlin-Buick) was a Canadian company before it was bought out.
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Here is a photo of carbon fiber frames as they arrive at the Trek factory in Waterloo Wi. You will notice that they don't resemble bicycle frames at this point.
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Kerry Roberts is the owner of The Bicycle Company, the parent company of Allanti Bicycle Company, the Bike Pedlar, and The Jolly Cyclist in Nashville, Tennessee. He also provides consulting services to the bicycle industry. Most of the information provided here can be cross-referenced with Bicycle Retailer and Industry News, the definitive trade publication in the bicycle industry.

The bike industry has a few secrets. And one of those secrets is where your bike is made or who actually made it. The bike companies like it that way because many of them rely upon the same factories to build their bikes!

The big picture is pretty clear: most of the bikes sold in the U.S. are made in China or Taiwan by a handful of manufacturers of which Giant is the largest.

Generally speaking, low to mid level bikes are made in China and mid to high level bikes are made in Taiwan.

Bikes are produced in other countries, but Asian factories probably produce 95% of the units sold in the United States. Incidentally, the "big three" (Giant, Trek, and Specialized) account for almost 80% of all bikes sold in U.S. bike shops.
Where was my bike made? Or, who actually made my bike?
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"Where was my bike made" states LeMond bikes are all imported, that is wrong. The Spine frames and Cf frames are still made in Waterloo Wi.
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Lots of USA built bikes (frames), just look for a good used one. Trek, Cannondale, etc...
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My Cannondale was "handmade in the USA" or so it says very prominently up and down the seatstays and in case you forget, it's also on the top tube right next to the head tube, along with the stars & stripes. Fortunately I'm not an American citizen otherwise I'd have to stand and salute every time I glanced down while riding the thing!
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I own a Cannondale because it's "made in USA". I thought it was meaningful to know that someone designed my frame and another one, in the same factory, built it. Now that I'd like a Taurine and I don't know where it comes from, I'm not sure I won't buy a Scott, made in China, designed in Switzerland, by german engineers, with american funds... What do you think ?
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Ultimately, does it really matter where your bike was made? Isn't it enough to know that it was made on planet Earth by the homosapien species?
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Ultimately, does it really matter where your bike was made? Isn't it enough to know that it was made on planet Earth by the homosapien species?
It does to me, of the 9 adult bikes we own, 7 were built in the US, 1 in Italy, and 1 in the far east. I think quality bikes can be built almost anywhere, but I want to support the US bike building industry for many reason from quality to American pride...
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Here's one less than $500...
http://www.mcmaster.com/nav/enter.asp?pagenum=1161[/URL]
Product #2701T22
I'm sure all its parts are made in China...
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^^^ The McMaster one looks like a Worksman from the pic. BTW thanks for all the replies. I see I'm not the only one who thinks it's important to buy American. I wish I would have known about Cannondale before I bought my 2006 Giant Yukon, but all the local shops sold Chinese or Taiwanese bikes so I figured for a tall frame size (25") I had no choice but to buy an imported bike. I'm trying to keep the price around $500 but am willing to go a little higher. Cannondale doesn't post prices on their site so can anyone tell me which Cannondale bikes (upright) sell for around 500?
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There is more FALSE information in this thread than any thread at Bike Forums. Owners of "Chino-crap" bikes keep posting the LIE that Trek does not make bikes in the USA. False, false, false. Under the Trek, Lemond, and Klein brands, Trek builds more frames, forks, and bikes in the USA than any other company, even more than Cannondale, which makes 99% of its bikes in the USA.

Trek's production of carbon frames and forks has been so heavy over the past several years, they have had to hire and train more builders, and add additional shifts. "Made in the USA" Trek bikes with carbon frames have a larger share of the consumer market in the USA than any imported brand selling carbon fiber bikes.

It is bizarre that the same liars keep telling the same lies in Bike Forums in thread after thread. Anyone who wants to know the truth can contact Trek. And, you can visit Trek's facilities in Wisconsin and see how they turn off thousands of the best bikes in the world every month of the year.

In the high quality bike market in America (bikes in the $2,000 to $8,000 price range) the "made in the USA" Trek and Cannondale bikes far outsell any given brand of Chino-crap. There may be reasons to buy sh*%$y slave-labor products from communist-occupied China, but a lack of superb "made in the USA" bikes is not one of them.
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^^^ FWIW I went to the local bike shop here in Richmond, VA, and all the Treks I looked at were made in China. My sis has a lower-end Trek from around 5 years ago w/steel frame and it was made in USA, so I think the transition from made in USA to China is recent.
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There is more FALSE information in this thread than any thread at Bike Forums. Owners of "Chino-crap" bikes keep posting the LIE that Trek does not make bikes in the USA. False, false, false. Under the Trek, Lemond, and Klein brands, Trek builds more frames, forks, and bikes in the USA than any other company, even more than Cannondale, which makes 99% of its bikes in the USA.

Trek's production of carbon frames and forks has been so heavy over the past several years, they have had to hire and train more builders, and add additional shifts. "Made in the USA" Trek bikes with carbon frames have a larger share of the consumer market in the USA than any imported brand selling carbon fiber bikes.

It is bizarre that the same liars keep telling the same lies in Bike Forums in thread after thread. Anyone who wants to know the truth can contact Trek. And, you can visit Trek's facilities in Wisconsin and see how they turn off thousands of the best bikes in the world every month of the year.

In the high quality bike market in America (bikes in the $2,000 to $8,000 price range) the "made in the USA" Trek and Cannondale bikes far outsell any given brand of Chino-crap. There may be reasons to buy sh*%$y slave-labor products from communist-occupied China, but a lack of superb "made in the USA" bikes is not one of them.

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I have toured the Trek factory and saw hundreds of Americans cut aluminum tubing, weld frames, make Cf parts, assemble Cf frames, sand and prepare the frames for paint, paint said frames, apply the decals and prepare the frames to be shipped to the assembly plant. These were Trek and LeMond frames both road and mtn bike frames, aluminum, steel and carbon.
I was amazed to see how labor intensive the bike industry is.
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There is more FALSE information in this thread than any thread at Bike Forums. Owners of "Chino-crap" bikes keep posting the LIE that Trek does not make bikes in the USA. False, false, false. Under the Trek, Lemond, and Klein brands, Trek builds more frames, forks, and bikes in the USA than any other company, even more than Cannondale, which makes 99% of its bikes in the USA.

Trek's production of carbon frames and forks has been so heavy over the past several years, they have had to hire and train more builders, and add additional shifts. "Made in the USA" Trek bikes with carbon frames have a larger share of the consumer market in the USA than any imported brand selling carbon fiber bikes.

It is bizarre that the same liars keep telling the same lies in Bike Forums in thread after thread. Anyone who wants to know the truth can contact Trek. And, you can visit Trek's facilities in Wisconsin and see how they turn off thousands of the best bikes in the world every month of the year.

In the high quality bike market in America (bikes in the $2,000 to $8,000 price range) the "made in the USA" Trek and Cannondale bikes far outsell any given brand of Chino-crap. There may be reasons to buy sh*%$y slave-labor products from communist-occupied China, but a lack of superb "made in the USA" bikes is not one of them.
You just LOVE to hear the sound of your own voice. Show me ONE shred of evidence to support ANY of your claims. I doubt you will be able to wrap your mind around it, but China is not communist in any form of that word. It's totalitarian.
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Get a clue, consumers are not paying $2,000 to $8,000 for a friggen bike . In unit sales I bet USA built bikes are less than 1 out of a thousand.
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Anyhow, Cannondale frames are all still welded in Pennsylvania. The carbon frames are made in Asia, but they are assembled in America. Sorry, but Cannondale does NOT have a carbon facility. They are still very nice frames though.
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I believe all Cannondale aluminum frames are made in the US, the carbon fiber are made overseas.
Ok lets get out info right here. They CF Synapse has been made in Taiwan but they are going to bring it in house because they HAVE brought up a carbon facility in Bedford so they can do all their own work. The Six13, SystemSIX, Rush CF and the HT CF bike (sorry I forget the name) are all made in the US.

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Manufactured completely in Cannondale’s Bedford factory, the new bike has a distinctively Cannondale look; oversized down tube, a chunky head tube and a slightly-sloping, wide and oval top tube. The new tubing configurations are a by-product of two initiatives in the company — a reinvigoration of research and development money now that the company has emerged from bankruptcy protection and an upgrade of its carbon processing capabilities to a level on par with aerospace manufacturing standards.

Carbon fever

Although Cannondale has worked with carbon fiber in its frame building since the Raven mountain bike in 1992, the System Six represents a significant investment in carbon processing. Improvements include a staging freezer for the spools of raw carbon fiber — the material degrades if it’s not stored properly. “The CNC fabric cutter room is also brand new,” said composite design engineer Brad Paquin. “We also invested in some very expensive tooling and doubled our hot press capacity to build this bike.”
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