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    Prescription insert sunglasses - disappointed

    I recently purchased some sunglasses with a wrap around frame and prescription inserts. I am very disapointed in the results so I thought I would report what I think about them.

    If you are not familiar with this style, it is like a regular set of sunglasses (no prescription) with a very small set if prescription lens mounted on a clip behind the sunglass lens. I tried this approach because I could not find any brand of wraparound sunglasses that could handle my prescription without going this route. Normally I wear tri-focal lens but had this set made up as bi-focal since I don't need the tri-focal for cycling.

    The glasses are just fine for straight ahead viewing and they protect the eyes well from wind in all directions. However, the prescription lens are very small (compared to normal glasses) and it is impossible to see in any direction (up/down/sidways) other than straight ahead without excessive head and neck movement. Off center views create split vision or no vision at all. In my normal glasses (even with clip on sunglasses) I can look sideways for traffic with little trouble and can even turn my head enough to look over my shoulder for traffic. That is impossible with the prescription insert glasses unless you can turn you head like an owl.

    No mention of the brand I got since my comments are targeted at the style...not the manufactures. The glasses are made well and perform well ...if all you need is straight ahead vision. If anyone is considering this style, I would recommend that you try on a set with a uncut prescription insert installed so you can judge for yourself if you can adapt to the limitations. I should also note that this manufacturer makes similar glasses for multiple sports and the set I got was specifically targeted at cyclist.
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    I can see how they wouldn't work for everyone, but I really like mine. Maybe my regular glasses are small, but the prescription insert allows me just as much range as they do. The bridge on the sunglasses adjusts so the lenses aren't tickling my eyelashes. I wore mine on a week long tour and wouldn't have traded them for anything. I think if I had really bad eyesight, I might be annoyed, but I don't have bifocals or anything. My only complaint is that they are so darn expensive. Mine are Rudy Project.

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    Hmmm interesting. I am looking for sunglasses as well but I have a few questions if you please. If possible, could you PM me the name of the sunnies since you don't want to name them.

    What is your prescription?
    Why do you need tri-focal or bi-focal lenses? I don't know your situation, but can you use progressive lenses?
    With the Rudy project RX (the ones with the insert) that I have seen the insert is much larger than what you describe, but I can't use them becuase my prescription is too strong.

    In the next year I will probably go all out and buy a pair of wraparound frames with my prescription replacing the real lenses. Sucks that they won't be impact resistant though.
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    Maybe larger glasses with a larger prescription insert would be better? I have the Bolle Vigilante glasses w/insert and the glasses are a bit big for me, but the insert is actually larger than my regular prescription glasses so I get a nice field of view with them.

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    The brand was Adidas. Quality was fine but the prescription insert was much smaller than my normal glasses. I need the bi-focal segment to see the handle bar range (computer) but I don't need the last segment (tri-focal) because I don't plan to read a book while I am cycling. The problem with wraparound glasses is that the excessive curve of the lens limits how much prescription they can do....especially with bi-focals. Mine is outside the limits of all the different brands I looked at (for no insert style). Progressive lens is not an issue (I don't care about the line). My problem is that I must turn my head to look directly at something to get it into the center range so that both eyes see it equally to get a true focus on the item (cars!). For younger people with lots of flexibility, this may not be as big an issue as it is for me but at 63 years, I do not have the flexibility I once had in my neck and shoulders.
    Perhaps my problem may be with the small inserts used by Adidas. I had a hard time finding a local dealer who carried any type of glasses that would accomodate my prescription. From comments above, the Rudy may have worked better for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldokie
    The brand was Adidas. Quality was fine but the prescription insert was much smaller than my normal glasses. I need the bi-focal segment to see the handle bar range (computer) but I don't need the last segment (tri-focal) because I don't plan to read a book while I am cycling. The problem with wraparound glasses is that the excessive curve of the lens limits how much prescription they can do....especially with bi-focals. Mine is outside the limits of all the different brands I looked at (for no insert style). Progressive lens is not an issue (I don't care about the line). My problem is that I must turn my head to look directly at something to get it into the center range so that both eyes see it equally to get a true focus on the item (cars!). For younger people with lots of flexibility, this may not be as big an issue as it is for me but at 63 years, I do not have the flexibility I once had in my neck and shoulders.
    Perhaps my problem may be with the small inserts used by Adidas. I had a hard time finding a local dealer who carried any type of glasses that would accomodate my prescription. From comments above, the Rudy may have worked better for me.
    OldOkie, since you're 63, you're invited to check out the 50+ forum, especially this thread which deals with a lot of the issues you're asking about.

    Eyeglasses

    Ive been happy with the progressive lens solution I came up with (no insert) and there is some reasonable wraparound.

    As far as trifocals, you may not need to read a book while cycling, but you may need to change or patch a flat, which can be close-in work.

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    I felt the same way as you did, but I got used to mine really quickly.
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    My prescription is fairly severe (just off the edge of legally blind in one eye without glasses ) and curved lenses are much harder to fit for a severe prescription. I use Safety glasses with the insert and they do take some getting used to. Also some people are more sensitive to it than others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldokie
    The brand was Adidas. Quality was fine but the prescription insert was much smaller than my normal glasses. I need the bi-focal segment to see the handle bar range (computer) but I don't need the last segment (tri-focal) because I don't plan to read a book while I am cycling. The problem with wraparound glasses is that the excessive curve of the lens limits how much prescription they can do....especially with bi-focals. Mine is outside the limits of all the different brands I looked at (for no insert style). Progressive lens is not an issue (I don't care about the line). My problem is that I must turn my head to look directly at something to get it into the center range so that both eyes see it equally to get a true focus on the item (cars!). For younger people with lots of flexibility, this may not be as big an issue as it is for me but at 63 years, I do not have the flexibility I once had in my neck and shoulders.
    Perhaps my problem may be with the small inserts used by Adidas. I had a hard time finding a local dealer who carried any type of glasses that would accomodate my prescription. From comments above, the Rudy may have worked better for me.
    Basically, from what I know you can get three types of prescription sunnies.
    1 - Where the sunglasses lens has been replaced with a tinted prescription lens.
    2 - Sunnies with a removeable prescription insert inside them (what you have).
    3 - Normal sunnies with a prescirption lens glued on just inside the tinted lens.

    It sounds like you optomotrist may not have given you all the options in regards to choice. When I talked to mine, we had a chat and he knew the Rudy Project rep, gave him a call then and there and he came around within 15 mins with his suitcase full of frames. Turns out my prescription is too strong to be able to use the inserts (about -8, yes I am BLIND). Rudy has a limit of -4 for these the last time I checked. My prescription however wasn't too bad to be able to replace the lens.

    The problem with high curvature frames is that replacing the lens with a prescription one means...
    1 - The lens at the edges ends up being thicker.
    2 - There is a limit of how much they can put in (not sure what the limit is, but they fit -8)
    3 - Becuase they are harder to make, they are more expensive.

    The amount of curve required by the frame is given a rating, and I can't remember the measurement. From memory, most wraparound style sunnies are a 6 or 7.

    I ended up getting a pair of not-so-curved sunnies because of the price. I am regretting this a bit now becuase they aren't as good for beign active outdoors and offer less sun protection.
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    Because I was dissapointed with the performance and reliability of those double lens sunglass systems, I've been getting perscription Ray Ban sports sunglasses made up. I currently have six pair in various tints including very light smoke, clear, and computer friendly ....

    Like damnable makes clear above, if your perscription isn't too strong, you can get a large variety of big name manufacturers' sunglasses made into scrips for you that don't have too much curvature to the lens.

    Also, Rudy Project and Smith make systems new this last year or so that you get pop in, pop out lenses made up in your scrip, seem made to hold stronger perscriptions.....maybe these are the -4 limited ones mentioned by damnable...

    I'd just bite the bullet and get some real sports sunglasses made up. My pick for years have been Ray Ban frames. cheaper at a Lenscrafter, but ANY optitian should be able to order you Raybans or other quality sunglass frames and have them made up in your perscription.

    this has been my experience, and i've been getting sports specific sunglasses for almost 20 years now.
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    I bit the bullet and used my new sunglasses on a 3 hour ride today and I must admit that I feel better about them. After a while, I started getting better at seeing stuff off to the side but I still had more head turning motion that I would like. I don't pick up cars from the side as easily as I can with my normal glasses. Also it is still hard to determine what traffic is behind you. I use a mirror but it only gives me a general idea so I like to look over my shoulder if I am approaching a turn.
    They are supposed to be fog free and they did not give me any fogging problem while moving with temperature around 40 degrees. However, if I came to a stop, they quickly fogged up due to no airflow. Once I started moving again, they quickly cleared up.
    As noted above, once I get more used to them, I may come to like them more. At least they are providing protection from the wind which was one of my main objectives.
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    I have a pair of Smith glasses with insert and they work well, but just got a pair of Tifosi Rx glasses. The Tifosi's are awesome, they fit better and they have a special lens for strong Rx, it's expensive $240, but I see better then with my regular glasses.

    I would use your current glasses for now, but plan on a new pair down the road if you can.
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    I have Oakley sunglasses. They are wrap around with the prescription lens mounted in the Oakley lens. The way they made the prescription everything is in focus, front and sides. I've been very happy with them. I had a clear lens break and Oakley replaced it free of charge no questions asked. They are the best glasses I've ever had.
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    Check out www.heavyglare.com They claim to be able to handle harder prescriptions than most.

    My prescription isn't bad, but i got a pair of Wiley-X SG1's cheap on ebay and then [edit] ordered [edit] prescription lenses from heavyglare. (the SG1's have removable lenses).

    i have been very happy with them, especially the FOV since they aren't inserts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldokie
    I recently purchased some sunglasses with a wrap around frame and prescription inserts. I am very disapointed in the results ................

    If you are not familiar with this style, it is like a regular set of sunglasses (no prescription) with a very small set if prescription lens mounted on a clip behind the sunglass lens. I tried this approach because I could not find any brand of wraparound sunglasses that could handle my prescription without going this route.
    The simplist, most direct, way to resolve the issue of protective eyeware for ANY cyclist is to buy
    "fit overs" for your rides. These glasses will work with or without presription glasses under them.

    They are,to me , the ONLY common sense approch to this issue. It ain't about lookin' cool really
    it's about get'n the job done of protecting the only pair of eyes you'll ever have. No matter how
    much money you spend on 'fashion wear' glasses you will get more bang for the buck with "fit overs'.

    That said......
    For less than $30 you can git-r-done!!

    http://www.eyesave.com/brands/b281-d...ses/index.aspx

    To me all that "market targeted" ***** is just another way to get you to pay more for what you can
    find cheaper & better by going back to basics and forget the 'fashion" crap.
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    That kinda sucks. I'm sure for the price you paid you'd be 1/3 of the way to getting Lasik.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tightwad
    The simplist, most direct, way to resolve the issue of protective eyeware for ANY cyclist is to buy
    "fit overs" for your rides. These glasses will work with or without presription glasses under them.

    They are,to me , the ONLY common sense approch to this issue. It ain't about lookin' cool really
    it's about get'n the job done of protecting the only pair of eyes you'll ever have. No matter how
    much money you spend on 'fashion wear' glasses you will get more bang for the buck with "fit overs'.

    That said......
    For less than $30 you can git-r-done!!

    http://www.eyesave.com/brands/b281-d...ses/index.aspx

    To me all that "market targeted" ***** is just another way to get you to pay more for what you can
    find cheaper & better by going back to basics and forget the 'fashion" crap.
    As long as they worked I wouldn't care. I have long since given up looking "cool". The reason I got the glasses I did was more for function. They do an awesome job of sealing out the wind and giving me better peripheral vision. When wearing my regular glasses my eyes water on fast downhills due to the wind. And my helmet mounted mirror is just outside their view, so everything in the mirror is blurry.

    With my SG-1's the wind is blocked out and the wraparound gives me extra peripheral "adjusted for my sight" view.

    The glasses only cost $35 from ebay and the inserts were $90. Not super cheap but not that bad either.

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    Funny, I just bought a pair of clear "fit-over" safety glasses this weekend. For $5.00 I've got nothing to lose. The cold wind has been irritating my eyes and I'm hoping these will provide some protection. I'll let you know how they work.

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    I have a few rides in with my new Optic Nerve Redhawks with inserts and am very happy with them. I had the inserts done with just my distance correction despite the fact that I normally wear bifocals. My eyes are good enough that I can read the computer, but it may be difficult to do some repairs. Maybe I will have to get a pair of those tiny reading glasses that fit in small tube and carry then in the seat pack just in case.

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    Since I started this thread, I have had time to get adjusted to my new glasses and I am now much more confortable with them and I use them on most rides. They have met all my expectations on eye protection from the wind but I do not have the preferial vision I would prefer. However, I have learned to adapt.
    Although I have learned to live with the limited field of view, I would still recommend that anyone considering sunglasses with the inserts behind the main lens try on a set before they make the leap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldokie
    Since I started this thread, I have had time to get adjusted to my new glasses and I am now much more confortable with them and I use them on most rides. They have met all my expectations on eye protection from the wind but I do not have the preferial vision I would prefer. However, I have learned to adapt.
    Although I have learned to live with the limited field of view, I would still recommend that anyone considering sunglasses with the inserts behind the main lens try on a set before they make the leap.
    I am glad to hear that because I ordered a set of Adidas Gazelle's(based on the optician's recommendation went with this version for runners even though I will use them exclusively for cycling) last week and hope to pick them up tomorrow or Wednesday. There are several companies that sell through the internet that have lenses specially designed to overcome the objections you have. They are not inserts and cost nearly twice as much as you paid for your Adidas. The person that recommended mine has a brother who was a professional cyclist and still rides and swears by this brand/model to be used for cycling. I will give a report when I have had a chance to use them.

    I have a -2.75 and -3.00 respectively. I opted not to do bifocals on the inserts because the bifocal takes up too much space on my regular lenses and I have had them for 2 years and tolerate them but don't like them. My prescription was almost two years old and I had an exam prior to ordering my prescription inserts. I also ordered some progressive lenses for my regular glasses and will return them in 30 days if I don't like them for some single vision lenses and get a magnifying glass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by derath
    As long as they worked I wouldn't care. I have long since given up looking "cool". The reason I got the glasses I did was more for function. They do an awesome job of sealing out the wind and giving me better peripheral vision. When wearing my regular glasses my eyes water on fast downhills due to the wind. And my helmet mounted mirror is just outside their view, so everything in the mirror is blurry.

    With my SG-1's the wind is blocked out and the wraparound gives me extra peripheral "adjusted for my sight" view.

    The glasses only cost $35 from ebay and the inserts were $90. Not super cheap but not that bad either.

    -D
    I suspect you do not ride during the winter. My old style Bolle Edge are way too bulky to wear beneath balaclavas and headbands. The ones you are referencing look much bulkier than my Bolle. I just started riding in cold weather this year and this has prompted me to purchase a smaller, modern replacement or I would stick with my Bolle until I can no longer get replacement lenses. There are still some replacement lenses to be had, but they are getting rare. Bolle does not have any.
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    dekindy....I think the main difference between our choices are lens colors. Mine fit my head tight and I don't have any problem with interference with my helmet or ear covers. Today was good....20 miles, mid 30's, no wind, sunny sky....and my glasses worked great!
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