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    Installing Brooks Saddle on Bianchi Milano

    Howdy.
    I am upgrading the stock saddle on my Bianchi Milano with a sprung Brooks saddle.
    Still contemplating which model, but most likely the Champion Flyer.

    Meanwhile, while contemplating the various Brooks options, I had the following bright idea. I decided to temporarily transfer my very comfy 1977 vintage Brooks B17 Champion Narrow, from my road bike to my Milano.
    Since the riding position is more upright on the Milano (than on the road bike), I thought this would give me a chance to see if this saddle is about right, and if not, a better idea about just how much wider would be just right for my Milano.

    Since this is a single rail saddle, I had the impression I’d be able to just slap it right on. And it sure did look like that would work until I actually had both saddles off and tried it. But the spacing between the Brooks rails is slightly wider than the seat holder hardware on the Milano is designed to hold.

    Which leads me up to my questions....

    I am assuming that the geometry of the more recently made Brooks B17 and Champion flyer etc would have same rail geometry as my 1977 model. That assumption may or may not be correct. Anyone know?

    There is no guarantee that my seatpost particular arrangement is just the same as that of others with Milanos, as LBS's may not have used the same seatposts/hardware. But some of you with Milanos may have run into a very similar situation. If so, maybe you have suggestions.

    I don’t think I need the “seat sandwich” because I am under the impression that is needed with multi-rail saddles.

    I will be checking in with my LBS right after the holiday to see if I can get saddle mounting hardware that is slightly wider.

    Perhaps a variety of sizes of this hardware are commonly available, and this is no big deal. Just not something I’ve ever happened to run into before. Afterall, my road bike came stock with the Brooks, so I have never ever had any inclination to swap saddles in 30 years.

    The Bianchi Milano stock saddle actually is a nice one, for what it is, just doesn't quite fit me perfectly. I love my well broken in Brooks.

    Hope everyone is enjoying their Holiday!

    Best wishes,
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    I don't have your answer, GreenBear, but I do have the Champion Flyer and it mounted to the stock seatpost that came with the Giant Cypress. Also, no porblems when I switched to the Salsa seatpost. Do be aware that when you got to a sprung Brooks, mounting a seat bag from the saddle isn't always satisfactory.
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    So far as I know, the distance between saddle rails is or at least is supposed to be, standardized. If you try to move the Brooks back to it's original bike how do the rails line up with the seatpost clamp? I'm thinking this is one of those situations where a judicious use of force is called for.

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    I have a Brooks from the seventies which I need to push the rails slightly together to fit on a modern seatpost. All of my newer Brooks saddles fit on modern seatposts with no problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retro Grouch
    If you try to move the Brooks back to it's original bike how do the rails line up with the seatpost clamp?
    I can take it off and put it back on the old bike (1977 Raleigh Supercourse) quite easily. Its an old style seatpost and the saddle clamp on the roadbike is of a different style than the 2004 Bianchi.

    Quote Originally Posted by Retro Grouch
    I'm thinking this is one of those situations where a judicious use of force is called for.
    That thought crossed my mind also briefly, but I am close enough to choosing the Champion Flyer for the Bianchi that if it came down to that, I will just get down to it and get the new saddle, rather than risk injury to the rails on my old saddle. Ultimately, my older Brooks saddle will return to live on the Road bike anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziemas
    I have a Brooks from the seventies which I need to push the rails slightly together to fit on a modern seatpost. All of my newer Brooks saddles fit on modern seatposts with no problem.
    I don't think I can push the rails on this saddle together enough to fit without permanently bending them, which would adversely effect the fit on the roadbike. So alternatively, I will probably just order the new saddle a bit sooner. I am encouraged with the possibility that the newer saddle may fit directly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nermal
    I don't have your answer, GreenBear, but I do have the Champion Flyer and it mounted to the stock seatpost that came with the Giant Cypress. Also, no porblems when I switched to the Salsa seatpost. Do be aware that when you got to a sprung Brooks, mounting a seat bag from the saddle isn't always satisfactory.
    It's good to hear that it is working with these other seatposts. It could be that the fit issue is just an odd quirk related to my Milano's particular seatpost/hardware.

    Thanks for the heads-up on the seatbag issue. On my Bianchi, I have a rear rack and usually use an Arkel Trunkbag. So that somewhat blocks my ability to use a seatbag anyway even before saddle change.

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    For what it's worth, someone has a Bianchi Milano with a sprung Brooks saddle on it at my office. I see it when I lock up - never met the person. I don't know if the seatpost is the one that came with the bike, but it looks modern.

    It's one fine looking bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by same time
    For what it's worth, someone has a Bianchi Milano with a sprung Brooks saddle on it at my office. I see it when I lock up - never met the person. I don't know if the seatpost is the one that came with the bike, but it looks modern.

    It's one fine looking bike.
    Thank You.

    Popular opinion seems to be leaning toward a change in the saddle rail geometry between 1977 and the present, rather than a seatpost problem, so I think I will get down to it and order a new Champion Flyer soon.

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    I had the Bianchi Milano and it's a great looking bike. Slow due to the Nexus hub but very nice looking. However, that frame was hard as heck and the straight up seating position made for a very uncomfortable ride. I found the Brooks saddle with springs just what I needed. I also used a suspension seat post with success.

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    Well folks I ordered the Champion Flyer in Honey and it arrived today!
    Unlike my 1977 vintage B-17 Champion Narrow, this newly minted saddle does fit on the Modern seatpost no problem!.

    (As I mentioned early in the thread my 1977 rails were just a smidge too widely spaced to fit on my more modern (2004) seatpost. Other posters with vintage saddles also seemed to have a similar experience) .

    Its beautiful and I am loving it!

    Best Wishes,
    GreenBear



    I wonder about what year the saddle rails began their narrower geometry?
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