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Old 02-17-07, 08:18 AM   #1
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Should I worry about my bike seat being stolen?

Hi, has anyone had their bike seat stolen that was attached using hex screws? My bike is about $700 and would die if something was stolen. Would it be wise to replace all the hex screws with proprietary heads?
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Old 02-17-07, 08:51 AM   #2
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Check out Pitlock locking skewers. I've used them for several years and am very happy with them.

http://www.pitlock.com/

http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/pitlock.asp
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- get out your chain tool, then loop a bit of used chain from the seat stays through the rear of the saddle... much cheaper than proprietary bolts?
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Old 02-17-07, 10:23 AM   #4
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Hi, has anyone had their bike seat stolen that was attached using hex screws? My bike is about $700 and would die if something was stolen. Would it be wise to replace all the hex screws with proprietary heads?
What kind of seat? If it came stock on a $700 bike I wouldn't worry too much. Every bike shop in the country has a box of similar seats that they'll sell you for around $10.00.

If you leave your bike locked up in public places, there is a risk of theft. You won't be happy if something is stolen but you won't die either. That's just the way that it is. Life gets lots easier when you come to realize that you aren't in control of everything and sometimes, in spite of our best efforts, some badness happens. Do what you can to fix it, learn what you can from the experience, and keep on keeping on.
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Old 02-17-07, 12:42 PM   #5
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In addition to all this great advice, do you know what the theft rate is like where you live? There are some places where you couldn't have anything unsecured on a bike without it being stolen. Although it's become rare, there are other communities where you couldn't get your bike stolen if you tried. Most places are somewhere in between the 2 extremes. Can you have a chat with your local police or bike advocacy group to get a feel for where your community falls on the theft spectrum?
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Old 02-17-07, 02:25 PM   #6
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If you are that worried about it, why not insure it?
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Old 02-17-07, 03:39 PM   #7
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In answering the thread title: No, I don't worry about it. My saddle of choice is usually a Brooks B67. Big shiny springs with a wide honey leather top. Very un-cool. The only people that admire it are those with too much class to steal it.
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Old 02-17-07, 08:23 PM   #8
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I don't think ive ever heard of anyone ever having there seat taken, bike yes, seat ??? no! lock up your bike, you can always buy another seat!
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Someone attempted to steal my seat once. They tried to just pull out the whole seatpost and were foiled by the cable lock threaded through the saddle, around the bike, front wheel, and bike rack, and gave up. I guess they didn't have cutters handy. I only know this because when I went to ride home after work I found the seat post and saddle lying on top of the bike.

Another attempt was more annoying. They took the quick-release skewer and left everything else alone, probably just to be annoying.
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Old 02-17-07, 08:46 PM   #10
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I actually had a post asking this same question. I've asked other people at the bike racks when I'm locking my bike up. Some of the people I've asked have been leaving their quick release seats, lights, etc. on their bikes for years and have never had a problem. Ask around and find out what other people's experiences have been like.
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Old 02-17-07, 09:30 PM   #11
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If you are that worried about it, why not insure it?
I actually tried to insure a bike (more expensive than $700). Could not find any insurance company that would insure it under a not entirely ridiculous policy.

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My bike is about $700 and would die if something was stolen.
No, you wouldn't. I've had cheap bikes stolen and parts of expensive bikes stolen and it really sucks, but you do go on. Except now I never lock my bike near where my expensive bike's rear wheel was stolen, which is silly 'cause I realize it's just about as likely to get lifted lots of other places I do park it.

Anyway, I wonder why you worry about a seat specifically. A thief armed with some hex wrenches could steal a hell of a lot more than a seat: e.g. shifters, brake levers, brakes and so on and so forth. Give him a multitool and he can take the whole bike apart leaving you with a frame and maybe a wheel or two locked to the bike rack. If you're really worried about theft, you might think about replacing ALL standard bolts on your bike with something like pitlock.

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I don't think ive ever heard of anyone ever having there seat taken, bike yes, seat ???
I've heard about the strangest things taken. I heard of one guy who had a chain stolen - the rest of the bike left alone. The kind of thing that makes you "go WTF???" .
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One question I have is whether you have a quick-release seatpost. Anything quick-release runs a very good chance of get stolen if you don't lock it or remove it. I have a quick-release seatpost now and I basically remove it whenever I park the bike on the street for a prolonged period of time. This way they can't steal my saddle either.
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Old 02-17-07, 09:51 PM   #13
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Are you kidding? Anything that is not locked down will get STOLEN. It's not just the seat collar bolt, it's also the bolt clamping your post to the rails.

Lock that ****.

2 options besides what the OP mentioned.

1) Short section of chain around the seat rails to the frame (popular around here)
2) Cable lock or other through the rails
3) QR and just remove everything when you leave (seatpost + seat)
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I actually tried to insure a bike (more expensive than $700). Could not find any insurance company that would insure it under a not entirely ridiculous policy.
Contact CAA (Canadian Automobile Association):

http://www.caa.ca/
http://www.caa.ca/english/insurance/insurance.html

They were the only ones in Manitoba who didn't laugh at me when I wanted to insure my bicycles, and their policy was reasonable. I got my home & property insurance through them, and the bicycle was added to the policy in the same way a grand piano or painting would be added.
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Old 02-18-07, 06:55 PM   #15
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Drip some wax into the heads of the allen bolts. It doesn't stop at thief, but will slow one down enough to make him think twice. It's not expensive either. Don't do that in the Deep South, the wax will melt out in the summer.
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Old 02-19-07, 05:34 PM   #16
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Glue a ball bearing into the hole for the hex key. Use rtv sealant, known by its technical name as gorilla snot.
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Two words: Beater bike!

I wouldn't take an expensive bike somewhere and lock it up and leave it alone, and bike theft isnt really a problem where I live, I once left a junker I rode to the bus station when I went outta town and it was there for a whole week and no one even took it! Why not just get a cheapy $10-$20 garage sale special to use when you know you're gonna be locking it up? Ride the junker to the store or wher ever else people go, and use the good bike for everything else.
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Old 02-26-07, 11:29 AM   #18
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I didnt want to start a new thread so im bumping this one. as for gluing the ball bearing into the hole for the hex wrench key, I see he states using rtv sealent. How would you go about getting this out of the hex hole without damaging it.

Does anyone have any thoughts as materials and then means to get it out. while stile keeping it relatively theft proof?

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I have replaced the quick release seat clamp for a hex bolt one. And filled the key hole with Araldite. When I wanted to adjust the seatpost I drilled into the Araldite, entered a screw and pulled it out easily.
I also use a black, tight-fitting rubber rain cover over my Brooks Swift saddle when I park at work. You need to look really close to spot that it isn't a standard, black seat on that bike.
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Had a bike seat stolen once, it was a quick release. Damn students.

Never had a bike seat stolen that was fixed with a normal screw/bolt.

Strangest thing ever stolen was one screw from my gear shifter. Had to replace the whole thing
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Old 03-05-07, 09:38 AM   #21
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Yes! It has happened to me. Bike was locked outdoors at the train station for 13 hours one day. I came back and the seatpost and saddle were gone. Attached via hex nut.

Saddles are easy to replace and (this one was) not very expensive, so that didn't concern me too much. What did concern me is that this particular bike had a totally non-standard seatpost diameter and it took me literally weeks of searching to find a replacement.
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Machka's hit on the insurance angle. In the US at least, bicycles are covered under your homeowner's or renter's insurance. It may require a rider or a special mention in the policy, so don't assume you're automatically covered; but that's where to start asking. Also, bear in mind that there's usually a hefty deductible, and filing a claim will make your rates go up.

It's pretty rare for a bike thief to take a non-Q/R seat. It's easier to steal the whole bike than it is to unbolt the saddle.
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Against a thief (or vandal) with the correct Allen wrenches and screwdrivers, there isn't much hope... Derailleurs can come off given time, bar ends can be taken off, grips slit so the brakes/shifters/brifters can be removed, etc.

The best you can do (next to using a beater bike) is invest in a set of Pitlocks [1], or a solid brand of locking skewers, use a Sold Secure Gold U-lock, and use mechBgon or SB's methods of bike lockup. The thief will move to something easier.

[1]: Nothing is 100% secure, but in 99% of the US, a would-be wheel thief would have never even seen Pitlocks, much less want to spend time with a Dremel tool trying to cut them off without damaging the bike. The 1% that is familiar with Pitlocks, there is no way to stop them anyway.
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