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Old 06-05-03, 11:25 AM   #1
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Do you ride when you are tired?

I guess it would probably depend on how tired you were. But lets say you only got 4 hours of sleep the night before. Would you go out and ride the next day?

I can't ride if I'm tired. Its to much of a risk so for my own safety I don't. I almost found out the hard way. Decided to go for a ride after only getting 3 hours of actual sleep the night before. Almost got plastered by a semi.

I need a minimum of 7 hours of quality sleep to be able to function on a bike, or in doing anything for that matter not just riding.

Last night I would have gotten 7 hours, except I kept getting up, had stomach problems. I'll spare you the details but you get the idea. So because my sleep was interrupted I won't ride tonight, for my own safety. I know it sounds like a piss poor excuse, but hey I'd rather skip one day of riding then ride, get nailed by a vehicle and have to spend several days or weeks off the bike.

How about the rest of you? How much sleep do you need to be able to function? I'm talking about quality R.E.M. sleep here ok.
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I know some safety experts who are talking about this very topic. They say that the state of safety regulation regarding fatigue is aobut where the state of regulating alcohol and operation was in the 1950's. Everyone knows that fatigue is a major contributor to transportation accidents. No one yet has a good handle on how to measure and regulate fatigue, although that is definitely the purpose of hours of service limitations for motor carrier drivers, railroad operating personnel and flight crews. You probably are too generous, rather than too restrictive in deciding when you are too fatigued to ride (or fly, drive or operate trains if you do any of those).
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I have a gentle spinning 12 mile ride that I can do when I am not at my best physically, which has happened more than I would like to admit in the last two months. This little ride has a minumum of traffic and hills.

I think that there is a definite theraputic recovery effect from some very gentle spinning for about 45 minutes.
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I agree about the therapeutic nature of a shorter spin. Sleep is an important ingredient in the entire training process. If you read about Lance Armstrong's training program it actually includes daily naps or "ciestas." Overexherting when the body is fatigued can lead to injury and or illness due to a weakened immune system. Get your Z's. I need to sleep at least 8 hours with frequent 1/2 hour naps during the weak if I'm in full on training mode.
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On average I only get four to five hours of sleep a night. So I can manage on very little sleep. So I'm good for a bike ride almost anytime! And I always feel better and more energized after the ride.
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Old 06-05-03, 02:03 PM   #6
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Oh, man. What a timely topic. I was at work until 11:30 last night, didn't get to sleep until after 1, and was up at 5:30 to make my regularly scheduled ride. I'd bailed out the day before and I committed to my training partner that I'd be there this morning.

When we pushed it, my HR shot up a good 15 beats higher than normal. And after, when I was making the easy spin back to the house, I was such a zombie that I nearly pulled out into the path of a bus. Not good.

Plus, I got a flat.

So, I wouldn't recommend doing a hard training ride on 4.5 hrs sleep. I've learned my lesson.
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A ride when I'm tired usually gives me a good boost and relaxes my body a bit. It's hard to kick myself into doing it but whenever I have gone out and rode when I was tired, it always helped.

Now, I don't have to ride in traffic so that is something to consider. I wouldn't do it if I was that tired to question my judgement... in that case, maybe a casual ride just to loosen the legs--like a "around the block" or ride to the store.
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Yeah, I knew I shoulda stood in bed. Or just settled for a casual commute to the office. But I couldn't bail two days in a row. It's a stupid macho thing.
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5-6 hours for me is good. I can function, but if I am worn down I can't ride hard becuse my HR is too high. Sometimes rides that I feel the worst on starting out end up being the best rides once I warm up. I usually do not do too bad if I get less sleep, but I crash big time when I stop.
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I usually sleep around 1 or 2 a.m. and wake up around 6 a.m. I still have full of energy, I heard from several people that Old gizzard like me sleep less, or maybe I am just or Iam suffering from imsomnia, but I still think for me to sleep 8 full hours gives me a headaches, four hours sleep for me will make my body fully charge and even if I am dead tired, after a four hour sleep, I can still manage to do like a good long ride, maybe around the vicinity of 50 to 70 K
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I always ride sleep deprived. But it's a way to wind down even after 30hours of no sleep. My best mountain bike ride was a 2 hr one after being up 27 hrs strraight but it was my first date with my current husband and I didn't want hiim to think I was a wimp. I do find myself dabbing or falling slightly more often. If I do a road ride, I'm real conservative.
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If I only rode when I'd had a decent night's sleep, I wouldn't ride at all for six months of the year. More than five hours sleep on any given night is virtually impossible during the summer months around here. I actually find at these times when I'm sleep deprived, cycling seems to make me more alert.
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Hi John!
i average 4-5.5 hours of sleep a night.. for what seems like forever and occasionally i get very tired on the days i can't get enough food , drink..etc(my workplace seems to always be filled with customers ) i try and get my ride in in the mornings(4.30 am..) even if it is just a local ride for 1-1.5 hours.. and at night at least the same time.. weather permitting and my energy level i do a bit more. i take the longer rides on the weekends
i find the rides at night exhilerate me.. giving more energy than i thought i had.. and i come home, eat a wonderful meal and feel really good the rest of the night.
however i have had some days that really wiped me out.. and those days.. if you feel really tired, maybe something else other than riding.. because it is dangerous to go on the roads when you aren't alert enough.
maybe go for a walk instead.. walk your dog.. get a skipping rope, even do some pushups and crunches.. anything to give you a little bit of a work out and you don't feel like you wasted your day.
how is the diet coming along? you feel okay on it? change of diet and long days can make you weary too.. get your daily multivitamins in!
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Old 06-06-03, 05:57 AM   #14
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I need a minimum of 7 hours of quality sleep to be able to function on a bike, or in doing anything for that matter not just riding.
Boy, do I ever wish I could sleep for 7 hours. My body wakes me up in about 5, at the max 6 hours. And, if I have been exercising in the evening or later, I don't sleep well at all. I do my best exercise early in the am.

No matter how little I sleep, I always get some sort of exercise in - biking, walking or whatever. If not, I get "off-cycle" and get into a pattern of worse and worse sleep.
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Hi John!
i average 4-5.5 hours of sleep a night.. for what seems like forever and occasionally i get very tired on the days i can't get enough food , drink..etc(my workplace seems to always be filled with customers ) i try and get my ride in in the mornings(4.30 am..) even if it is just a local ride for 1-1.5 hours.. and at night at least the same time.. weather permitting and my energy level i do a bit more. i take the longer rides on the weekends
i find the rides at night exhilerate me.. giving more energy than i thought i had.. and i come home, eat a wonderful meal and feel really good the rest of the night.
however i have had some days that really wiped me out.. and those days.. if you feel really tired, maybe something else other than riding.. because it is dangerous to go on the roads when you aren't alert enough.
maybe go for a walk instead.. walk your dog.. get a skipping rope, even do some pushups and crunches.. anything to give you a little bit of a work out and you don't feel like you wasted your day.
how is the diet coming along? you feel okay on it? change of diet and long days can make you weary too.. get your daily multivitamins in!
Ellen, I do other things when I haven't had enough sleep to be safe enough for me to ride. Walking the dog is one of them.

The diet is going well thanks for asking. I feel great on it actually. Sometimes the discipline it takes to maintain the diet is a little tough but I make it through it and prevail.
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I like to get 7hrs or so,but ive ridden/worked on 3hrs or so before and ridden around 50miles with that little sleep.First half hr or so sucks,after that its like any other day,just a little more tired at end of day.
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Boy, just to echo some others, if I could get 7-8 I'd love it. The committee won't let me get more than 5-6, usually having had to get up in there some time, as my body needs to relieve itself (TMI I'm sure). Usually about 5 the arguing in my head starts about getting up checking the temp, listening to the news for the weather, coffee, what to wear, what bike I'll be riding, do I need to do a lot of miles or not, should I just drive.

Of course this is also after and before a 25 mile commute to work, an eight hour shift following adolescents around for 8 hours, then riding 25 miles home. Like Horn said, it's easy after the first 1/2 hour. I seem to wake up. I also need to take time to unwind.
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No.

The quality of my ride is greatly reduced when I can't get in enough recovery for my muscles to recover and repair.

Since the sleep time is the maximal time for the body to repair the muscles, and it's manditory for the body to heal the muscles in order for you to see the results needed from continually tearing the muscles from constant exercise, it makes sense to take the rest day when you need it.

Take the rest- if you can't get enough sleep, take the day off and do some extra sleep. It can't hurt the body to get that extra rest!

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I usually get about 6-7 hours of sleep. Seems if I get much more or much less than that my riding suffers.
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I commute every day so I ride tired every morning I vary on hours of sleep but I average around 6 hours a night the ride does wake me up though
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Sleep deprived describes me.. I ride home after Midnight shifts. Usually take it pretty well. Time I had on my HRM, I found little differnce. I work Firemens' schedule. Compressed days. Even on days off, after getting 5/6 hours sleep, I still don't make up the loss by sleeping more than 7 hours. Seem to get by.
I am told I do not cycle my best. Usually think it impossible to fall asleep on the bike. Couple times, I found different. Think far less likely than driving a car on the boreing freeway.
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I ride when I feel tired quite often.

Working twelve hour shifts is not easy. Sometimes the only way I can get a ride in is to and from work and that kinda sucks. There's short local trails around here, that I'll ride before going into work on nights, but after work its an easy spin all the way home. I find that after a long day, the ride home gets me primed for bed anyways, releases the work stress, and gets me in a better mood before I get home. Which is a good thing as opposed to being all p.o.'ed in front of the wife and kid.
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For those that don't know or think you might know. The humasn body does not have the ability to "store" or the ability to "make up" missed sleep or rest.

Here's a better example or way to explain that:

Lets say you usually sleep 7 hours a night, & that is what your body is used to. So any less and you feel tired the next day.

Now lets say you only get 5 hours of sleep, for what ever reason, one night. Then the next night you are able to sleep for 9 hours.

You are not "making up" the 2 hours you "missed" the night before.

Now lets say you either know before hand or you just simply want to sleep for 12 hours one night then for only 2 the next thinking that you are "storing" 5 hours sleep and rest on the night you slept for 12 hours so you can function, without being tired, on the day after you sleep only 2 hours.

Again your body is not storing the 5 hours of rest or sleep from the 12 hour night. Our bodies are incapable of doing that.

Don't believe me? try it. But it is not how the human body was designed and/or works when it comes to getting rest and sleep.
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Perhaps....

I worked on a fishing boat one summer in Alaska after I graduated college

We worked 16 hour days, every day, and on the rare occasion they didn't catch enough fish to call the shift up, I would sleep the entire 24 hours straight. Literally. The next thing I knew, it was two days later, and I was still wanting to sleep. One day, I slept more than 24 hours. It was the best sleep I can recall to date.

I think the body stores sleep to an extent, and when you crash, you crash hard.
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I think the body stores sleep to an extent, and when you crash, you crash hard.
I agree. I can go weeks on 4-5 hours of sleep a night..Then one day WHAM!!!! No waking up for the incredi-Matt!
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