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Old 06-09-03, 08:28 PM   #1
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Is there anyone who doesn't like using cyclecomputers?

I was thinking, with having this electronic device on the handlebar, there is a chance to loose it near any supermarket. Is it really so important to know how many miles one have gone, how many total miles, average speed, current speed.
What is all this for, is it really a necessity? Computers like that were not available coupple of decades ago, yet, people still could be perfectly happy on their long distance touring.

Does anyone choose not to have a cyclocomputer?
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On the mtb's no computers.
On my road bike yes.
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Old 06-09-03, 08:44 PM   #3
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I personally don't like the cyclocomputers, I've had several and most of the time when they weren'yt stolen, they were inaccurate, even after having the LBS calibrate it properly. PLust does it really matter how many miles you go, or how fast you went, It's kind of like looking in the mirror after every workout just to see some results. They're nnot gonna be there trust me.
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Truthfully, I couldn't care less. My wife has one on her hybrid because she wants to track her progress. I just look at my wristwatch.

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I personally don't like the cyclocomputers, I've had several and most of the time when they weren'yt stolen, they were inaccurate, even after having the LBS calibrate it properly. PLust does it really matter how many miles you go, or how fast you went, It's kind of like looking in the mirror after every workout just to see some results. They're nnot gonna be there trust me.
I really like having one because I want to know how I'm doing, but to each his own. What surprised me was your comment about inaccuracy. I've had two (both cateye) and found them to be extremely accurate. I travel about 25 miles each way and my distance is almost always within a hundreth of a mile. That much difference is going to happen just because of slight fluctuations in the path the bike takes.

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Well, there maybe some interesting things, one could derive from knowing exact distance traveled, especially combined with exact time... Things like total number of crank revolutions, amount of NRG used, comparing to equivalent the amount of fuel burnt, cost. etc...
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I have thought about getting a cyclecomputer for my road bike, but knowing how obsessive I can get I figure that maybe it's a good idea to leave it in the LBS. While knowing all the info a computer could give me would be neat , I think I might end up like some cyclists who ride to make a certain set of numbers, and thus are handicapped in knowing the joy of a gut busting climb(and I got a fair bit of 'gut' to bust) or sprint where heartrate is as much as you got and speed is as fast as you can go and distance is as far as you can get. All by feel and not a number to it.
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If you afraid of loosing you computer then you can just take it off the mount in case the bike will be intendment for a while. Most computers are like that, meaning you will able to take the computer itself off of its mount. I donít think the thief will bother to take of the rest of the computer parts since they will be useless. Now to answer your other questions... You have asked the rite questions, but it's up to you to answer them. Is it really important for YOU to know how many miles you have ridden? your average, top and current speed? Would you simply like having this information available to you or do you need this information for training purposes? I actually sometimes hate having this little thing around because I always end up racing against the clock (but itís me). Itís not that expensive or complicated, get one and see if you like it.
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I think I might end up like some cyclists who ride to make a certain set of numbers, and thus are handicapped in knowing the joy of a gut busting climb(and I got a fair bit of 'gut' to bust) or sprint where heartrate is as much as you got and speed is as fast as you can go and distance is as far as you can get. All by feel and not a number to it.
That probably summarizes the different ways people can look at things as well as anything I've read.

For me, I see it the other way around - that NOT having a computer is a handicap because I THINK I'm doing better (or worse) than I actually am.

Just in the past week, I've had three rides where I did much better than I thought I was doing. True, I can measure the FINAL time with a watch, but even then, it has big limitations. You see, my normal route has 58 potential stops to it. That means my total times can be greatly affected not just by how fast I'm riding, but by how often and for how long the stops are. With the computer, I only count riding time, not stops. Sure, I still have the differences caused by slowing down and accelerating again for stops, but this is much less difference than the time actually stopped.

It also serves as a motivator for me, every time I can set a record and KNOW I set it.

I like knowing that my fastest speed down a hill is 40.5 mph. I like knowing that hills I used to climb at 7 mph, I can now do at 14, etc.

Some people don't care for any of those things and that's fine. It isn't a question of what is right or wrong, but just a matter of what each individual feels best with.

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Chuvak - good post, that's exactly the situation.

I have a mount for my Cateye HB-100 on my three bikes, and keep track of mileage etc., while my SO, who has my old Vetta computer on her bike, rarely looks at it, and could care less.
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I don't always like having them..But for training and stuff, the info can be important.
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A bike computer is also useful for organized rides which have queue sheets with the mileage between turns and cumulative mileage printed on them. Makes it easier to be ready and locate your turn when you are riding in unfamiliar territory.

I generally leave my computer (Cateye Astrale) set to current speed and cadence. Having the cadence indicator in front of me is a gentle reminder to keep my RPMs up in the 90-100 range.
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I have my computer set the same as Steve's, Cadence on the top (big numbers) and current speed below. I usualy check out my avg speed and time at the end of the ride.
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I like to have my cyclocomputer on my bar..

In the past, gadgets like these were expensive and not as accurate as the cyclos we have now...

I don't think its a question of need.. It is just information that is more available now, harvestable data(as compared to the 70's and early 80's w/c was unlikely).. I would like to get that info, after all almost everything today revolves on available data.

Cyclos are getting more accurate.. I have read somewhere that a computer, configured properly can have an error of a few feet per mile..
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I primarily use my cyclo to monitor cadence...like during a climb or a race. I also have a heart rate monitor...for LSD rides, it helps me keep my HR down...and for races, it lets me know when I should back of before blowing up (like during a breakaway).
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So what you guys are telling me is that bikes still work without a computer on the bars?

Wow - I had no idea. I really won't go anywhere without mine.

Hey Inoplanetyanin - as far as computers not being available a few decades back, you're absolutely right, but that's not a good arguement for going without them now. Using that reasoning we would all be living without electricity, running water, telephones and heaps of other things simply because 'they were not available many years ago ... and people were still happy'.

It's up to personal choice. If you want to ride with one - great. If you don't want to ride with one - fine. Either way it's simply down to your choice.
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Does anyone choose not to have a cyclocomputer?

One of my first purchases after buying bike recently.

I can see cadence at a glance, how many miles I've gone that day to log it into mysporttraining.com and coolrunning.com, average speed to see how I'm improving.

Add to that heart rate data (coming down successfully each week), and GPS data with routes, tracks, waypoints (mostly used for hiking in a local forest, but used on the bike too), and I have everything I need, to measure pace and progress.

Measuring average speeds, pace, distance, max/resting/average/recovery heart rates, is all motivating to me.

Keeps me on track. I like it, find it all useful, others may not.







Oh, and remove the computer in those nasty supermarkets.

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I dont care too much how fast Im going, but I do ride a lot of new routes which need careful navigation. Even then, I seem to manage quite well without any instrumentation.
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It helps me chart my progress or lack of it. I really like having one. In supermarkets, I just bring the bike right into the store and put it somewhere near the front where I can see it. Yep, I really do that. I make sure it is not in anyone's way.

So far, no complaints. And, I never ask permission.
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I ride primarily for health and fitness, and find that using a computer helps immensely in calculating progress. I haven't got a cadence function so I have to rely on current speed as a measure of endurance.

I can understand other people's views regarding the retraction of the cycling experience, in terms of riding for the ride. However it only takes a glance from time to time, so you can still enjoy the scenery and joy of cycling.
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I am primarily a utility cyclist. I use my bike to go places. I get on. I pedal until I get there, and then I stop. I repeat this several times a day. I don't think a computer will help me with this much, although I sometimes get curious about how far or fast I go, I have not been motivated to spend money on a computer.

If I were a fitness cyclist, I don't see how I could get along without one. Intervals would be difficult, and it is always better to measure than estimate if you can.

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Is it really so important to know how many miles one have gone, how many total miles, average speed, current speed.
What is all this for, is it really a necessity? Computers like that were not available coupple of decades ago, yet, people still could be perfectly happy on their long distance touring.
Well, before I had one I could figure out my average speed pretty easily. All I had to know was how far I went and the time I left.

It's a neat gadget, but not necessary, really. It's kind of fun to see exactly how a 10 mph. headwind will affect your speed, though.

Inoplanetyanin, I feel about heart rate monitors the way you do about cycle-computers. If I wanna know my heart rate, I put my fingers on my wrist and count.

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I used to never like bike computers, it seemed they were always broke.

Now I have a flight deck and a polar HRM that records info. When I train I am a slave to the HRM. I love the gear indicator on the flight deck, I use this all the time. I use alot of the other funtions on the flight deck also.

The thing I love about the HRM is that when I race it records all the info. I do not look at it when I am racing but when I get home I really enjoy seeing the race in a whole new perspective!

Do I need these, no!!

I know the HRM has made me a better rider though. I could live without the flight deck, but the HRM I would miss.
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I know the HRM has made me a better rider though. I could live without the flight deck, but the HRM I would miss.
I attribute all my improvements in speed and endurance to the HRM. It is the single, most important purchase I have made to improve my riding. I don't yet own a cyclo; I just have a stopwatch and HRM. I'll purchase one soon, though, for the convenience.
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