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Old 06-13-07, 10:28 PM   #26
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Sheldon Browns Harris Cyclery Shop. There are other places too but he posts here and the price was the same at other places so what the heck.
I should have picked some up when I was there last summer!!!
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Old 06-14-07, 06:07 AM   #27
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I should have picked some up when I was there last summer!!!
The shop mailed them to me for a small priority mail postage of $4 fee and got them within a week. You can select different shipping rates depending on how fast you need them, but the cheapest (I think for Canada, but check to be sure) is #6 priority mail (Canada only) rate.
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/p...html#toestraps

If they don't have what your looking for you just do a search by entering "toe straps" and dozens of places pop up. Sheldon had the amoung the cheapest prices for the straps and their shipping was the cheapest.
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Yea lol. I went to bike shop the other week for chain oil, 7.99.. I bet I could have bought same chain oil for less else where online. Such as nashbar, if you buy several things it's cheaper.


I saw this poor woman in there choosing a pump. It probably cost her $60 or more for a garage pump. I got me a nice Morphus Road G for $30 shipped to my door. It's nice, fits into my back pack, and works just like floor pump.


She was really stressed and confused about the price. I think bike shops don't deserve my money. The only reason I bought my oil there is because I already pedaled there and it's not too expensive. Thought, next time I won't be buying from those bastards, let them go out of business.


After my der brocke I called them, and 105 from them would cost me 120. Then I called another supplier, and this same der would cost from them 70, which is a fair price. But still, cheaper online, I have an XT M760 2007 shipping to me for $52 in grand total.


At nashbar store I got me 2 tubes, patch kit, and shifter cable for $17..


Bike stores are garbage.
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Old 06-14-07, 07:09 AM   #29
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Last December I had a bike built up by an LBS that I trust. I asked for Campy chorus and substituted a phil bb, a thompson seat post, a chris king headset. We went back and forth with emails after my initial visit. Suggestions were made, some of which I took and some of which I knew would not work for me. I knew the approximate online cost of this gruppo. They came in within $200.

After about 200 miles, I decided that the nitto pearl quill stem was too low for me. They replaced it with a technomic, which meant recableing the front. No cost.

After about 1000 miles the left shifter lever broke off. They replaced it for me in two hours, and dealt with the Campy RA warranty system themselves. They could have said, Campy will replace the part in two weeks, but they said, "we'll get you on the road today".

I have heard that this same LBS will disregard people who don't "appear" to know bikes, even though I know of one instance where that cost them a $6000 Waterford custom sale. That same person will never walk into this store again and tells all of her friends about her experience. She is an avid cyclist and buys only the best accessories. The owner is not sexist, so it was not a gender issue. He has been in business since the 70's. I wonder how many sales he has lost over the years.

I feel for those of you who have to deal with crappy LBS's, especially someone like Machka, who puts on so many miles and is so dependent on her bike.

A good relationship with an LBS is priceless.
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You know what, I'm not good with bikes, in fact, I don't look anything like a biker, clancked my shifting, etc. When I walk into the store I could see owner's body language, he was up tight, and way back in his own shell, he disliked me and only dealt with me because I came in..

He also disliked my cheap MOTOBECANE bike.


He wasn't friendly at all. I drive a stang, and we kind of hate ricers, guys with jap cars. When I go to have something done at jap tuners shops, they are friendly. This guy, was not friendly, and he tried every effort to conseal it, as to be NICE to me..


Am I dealing with them again? NO.



I bet some of you need good bikes, so LBS is probably a way to go. I rather have a cheap bike. I've come to a realization that what I bought for $600 I could have built myself for the same money, but instead of cheap components like 105 and tiagra der, I could have got me what I needed, XT.. But hey, you live and learn.
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Lately the LBSs around here have become competative with the internet stores. For instance I had to replace my Dura-Ace bar-end shifters last week and paid $65 including tax at an LBS. That's less than any I found on the internet before shipping. I didn't even see a new set on ebay for that price with shipping added. So at least for now I'm taking back every bad thing I've ever said about our LBSs.
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Lately the LBSs around here have become competative with the internet stores. For instance I had to replace my Dura-Ace bar-end shifters last week and paid $65 including tax at an LBS. That's less than any I found on the internet before shipping.
Same here. There are two shops that I will readily stop in for the odd service or kit stuff. The new guy here in town is a old-schooler (my sig) and vintage rider. My first impression was he loves older stuff. I did not tell him I like vintage lightweights until he said he preferred them for local rides.

You really have to look around. Deals must be found and not assumed.
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I keep my dealings with the LBS to just purchasing their products, no service or repairs, since I do those on my own. I also purchase products online, but I will check the LBS first to see if they have the part in stock, and I will buy it, even at the marked up price, if they have the part I need. I usually end up doing close to half my business with the LBS, since most of the items I want have to be ordered, and after a few attempts of letting the LBS order parts, I decided to take on the task myself by going online. Granted, if I make a mistake in ordering I have to absorb the cost, but bicycle parts are relatively cheap when compared to some motor vehicle passions I was involved with in past years, and the bicycle learning curve keeps improving as time goes on.
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Old 06-14-07, 08:43 AM   #34
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Lately the LBSs around here have become competative with the internet stores. For instance I had to replace my Dura-Ace bar-end shifters last week and paid $65 including tax at an LBS. That's less than any I found on the internet before shipping. I didn't even see a new set on ebay for that price with shipping added. So at least for now I'm taking back every bad thing I've ever said about our LBSs.
Bike parts in general are not cheap. I know, because I've seen the wholesale prices. Of course the shop is going to mark them up. Most places around here mark up 50% - 66%.
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Old 06-14-07, 09:19 AM   #35
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Your first obligation is to you and your family, not a businessman or a bike shop owner who is not necessarily a businessman.

Our economy is dictated by the market between buyers and sellers and our system is the price system. The bike shop owner knows this and so should we.
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Old 06-14-07, 09:20 AM   #36
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I had a 400 km brevet coming up the next weekend. His response. "You're an idiot. You should just ride part of it, and fake the signatures on the card."


That is absolutely horrifying. Sportsmanship be damned, eh? Certainly doesn't make one confident in the honesty of the shop!!
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Old 06-14-07, 12:23 PM   #37
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The LBSs around here(NW FL) kind of suck. Huge markup, elitist attidue and everything.

I got started a few months ago.Tried out all 4 around here. One had a 15 or 16 year old salesman trying to fit / upsell me over and over and got the lack of "caring" from what seemed to be the owner when the younger salesman had to go ask him questions that I asked as I was an obvious noob.

The other where I ended up getting my bike because they carried Trek brand didn't even fit me properly and after about a month of checking up on the net my bike was 2 sizes to big when they had one that fit me on the floor. They offered free tune up for 2 months though so I ended up getting there and paid a $15 restocking fee for the other smaller bike though.

Another one has a freaking crazy owner. Nice guy but he carries a gun on his hip at all times .. I'm sure has a CCW or whatever you need but just unpleasant trying to deal business with the guy.

The last one is just terrible charges for every little thing.. buy a tube there and will charge you to put it in will upsell like crazy or whatever.

So I ended up just buying my bike at a LBS and all my accessories online and turned to other resources on the internet to do everything myself. Also bought the Zinn book on road bike maitence to make sure I am not dealing with the LBS to much around here.
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That is absolutely horrifying. Sportsmanship be damned, eh? Certainly doesn't make one confident in the honesty of the shop!!
That was the last thing they did to me because I never went in that shop again.

Prior to that, various ones of us individually noticed something ... odd ... about that shop. I thought it had to be just my imagination, but I did a few little experiments and it sure didn't seem imaginary to me. Then later, in a conversation with several other cyclists, we got to discussing shops and their good and bad points, and what I thought might be just my imagination turned out to be something several others had noticed too, and had done experiments on as well.

The shop staff blatently ignored the female customers.

The first time I noticed it, I was standing at the counter wanting to ask a question about something in the shop. I waited and waited, and while I was waiting, a man walked up and stood in line behind me. Moments later one of the staff came to the counter, looked directly over my head at the man, and said, "Can I help you sir?" The man said, "But I think she was here first", and it was like I emerged from a cloaking device and suddenly appeared there in front of the counter!! The staff guy looked really surprised to see me there, and then didn't seem at all enthusiastic about answering my question.

Other times, I'd walk into the shop, and wander all over the shop looking at everything, and not a person would approach me. Then a male friend would walk in and stand beside me, and we'd be swamped with sales people trying to help us, but all talking to him.

The other cyclists I talked to told very similar stories. Their husbands or boyfriends would drop them off at the door, then go around the corner to park the car. They would wander all over the store, and even try to attract the attention of a sales person to help them, but no one seemed at all interested in even acknowledging them. Then their husbands or boyfriends would come in, and all of a sudden they had a crowds of staff around.

My current LBS is owned by a female cyclist ... it's quite a different atmosphere!!
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Your first obligation is to you and your family, not a businessman or a bike shop owner who is not necessarily a businessman.

Our economy is dictated by the market between buyers and sellers and our system is the price system. The bike shop owner knows this and so should we.
I agree with this to a point. I live in a fairly small town tho, so local business owners are like extended family in a sense (no its not that small, stop with the banjo music) , they are neighbors, etc. So I will make a purchase online if its a great savings, but if I am just paying a few percent more to buy in a local shop, I don't see that as going against my self interest even. There is a lot of the "buy local" attitude here, and it helps the local economy, as much of the money stays in circulation here. See where I am going? Its in my interest to do my part to keep the local economy healthy. For a number of reasons - economically, crime rate stays low, etc. The LBS owners and employees will go eat in a local restaurant and buy a new filter for his furnace at a small hardware store, etc. If I send money to somebody who lives 2k miles away, its unlikely that money will get spent here.

That said I am not a fanatic about this, I could have bought my rack and panniers locally, but nobody carried the brand or could even order the brands I wanted (Ortlieb and Tubus), so I ordered from Wayne at thetouringstore.com (great guy, very helpful).
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I bought my bike from my Local Bike Store because of the service and the attention to "fit". (The price wasn't bad either.) Because I bought my bike from the LBS I get a 10% discount on gear. If I need a bigger discount or if I need something that the LBS does not have I go to the Internet.
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The shop staff blatently ignored the female customers.

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The other cyclists I talked to told very similar stories. Their husbands or boyfriends would drop them off at the door, then go around the corner to park the car. They would wander all over the store, and even try to attract the attention of a sales person to help them, but no one seemed at all interested in even acknowledging them. Then their husbands or boyfriends would come in, and all of a sudden they had a crowds of staff around.
Oh, that SO does not fly with me. I have been known to get very, very snarky with sales guys who try that nonsense - to the point of asking pointedly which century this was, again?

Not to mention that female cyclists have been the backbone of the entire bicycle industry since the 1890s....
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