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    brooks saddle and rain

    brooks saddle and rain, do they mix? and do people steal these saddles off bikes when you lock them up the public? and how much does one cost?

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    Try doing a search of the forums and you will find more info than you can imagine. Also try this link:

    http://www.wallbike.com/index.php

    It will take quite a bit of rain to harm a properly conditioned Brooks saddle.

    If someone wants your saddle and they are inclined to steal, they will steal your saddle.

    Price depends on model and where you buy.

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    I've owned a Brooks since mid-2004, and have put about 27,000 kms on it since then. And I've done A LOT of rides in the rain ... drizzles to torrential downpours. My Brooks is fine.

    I got mine from Wallingford Bikes (see link in the post above) - they've got a great return policy ... which I did not have to use.

    And ... I don't lock my bicycle up in public if I can help it.

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    Weather looks threatening? Stuff a plastic supermarket bag under your saddle, and off ya go. Rains starts coming down heavily, cover seat with bag, tie handles underneath, and off ya go.

    A light rain is no problem. I don't worry about my Brooks saddles unless I get caught in a real soaker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lrzipris
    Weather looks threatening? Stuff a plastic supermarket bag under your saddle, and off ya go. Rains starts coming down heavily, cover seat with bag, tie handles underneath, and off ya go.

    A light rain is no problem. I don't worry about my Brooks saddles unless I get caught in a real soaker.
    what happens when it gets soaked? does it transform into an uncomfortable plastic saddle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by exas
    what happens when it gets soaked? does it transform into an uncomfortable plastic saddle?
    The Brooks is a leather saddle. I can't say as I've ever heard of rain transforming leather into plastic!

    When it gets soaked, it gets more comfortable.

    But yeah, always carry a plastic grocery bag in the rails under the saddle just in case you have to park the bicycle outside somewhere. Otherwise, your butt is on the saddle so it protects the saddle from the rain. Oh yeah, get fenders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machka
    The Brooks is a leather saddle. I can't say as I've ever heard of rain transforming leather into plastic!

    When it gets soaked, it gets more comfortable.

    But yeah, always carry a plastic grocery bag in the rails under the saddle just in case you have to park the bicycle outside somewhere. Otherwise, your butt is on the saddle so it protects the saddle from the rain. Oh yeah, get fenders.
    that seems really ghetto, i don't think i can do that, cyclists get such a bad rep anyways no need to make it even worse
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    Quote Originally Posted by exas
    that seems really ghetto, i don't think i can do that, cyclists get such a bad rep anyways no need to make it even worse
    Huh??

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    Quote Originally Posted by exas
    i don't cycle in the rain. or look for big puddles of water to zoom though.

    people shouldn't bicycle in the rain anyways (unless you are forced to, ie get caught in a storm along the way). when it's raining you don't go out for a walk without an umbrella. so don't ride in the rain. unless you want to reach your destination soaked from head to toe. but i suppose it is ok if you have an umbrella mounted to your bike
    You don't get out much, do you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by exas
    that seems really ghetto, i don't think i can do that, cyclists get such a bad rep anyways no need to make it even worse
    MOST Brooks riders carry the plastic grocery bag ... it's not ghetto, it's retro. It's what all the cool Brooks riders do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exas
    i don't cycle in the rain. or look for big puddles of water to zoom though.

    people shouldn't bicycle in the rain anyways (unless you are forced to, ie get caught in a storm along the way). when it's raining you don't go out for a walk without an umbrella. so don't ride in the rain. unless you want to reach your destination soaked from head to toe. but i suppose it is ok if you have an umbrella mounted to your bike . and it would be quite sad to see someone riding a bike on the road with a raincoat on
    <<breathe ... must remember to breathe>>

    Ah ... that's hilarious.

    Once you reach the point where you start riding your bicycle, you'll get caught in the rain. And believe me, you and the bicycle won't melt.

    Name a weather condition ... I've probably ridden in it. Often willingly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by exas
    that seems really ghetto, i don't think i can do that, cyclists get such a bad rep anyways no need to make it even worse
    A grocery bag on your Brooks saddle is like Ben Kenobi saying: "Do not steal this saddle."<hand wave> "That rusty beater on your left sure has a nice Wizards of the Coast Limited Edition Black Lotus Fizik Aliante Carbon."
    Last edited by calbars; 06-15-07 at 10:43 PM.

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    Just use the bag under the saddle. It's clever, practical, and for the weight weenie, adds only a gram or two. Don't allow your Brooks to get soaking sloppy saturated wet, then ride it. Let it dry. It'll be ok as long as you don't ride it soaked. If you do, all bets are off. A reasonable person, using reasonable care and forethought, will cover the saddle when off the bike in a steady rain. There.


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    Exas, if the saddle gets soaked, dry it slowly at room temperature, more or less. Don't treat it with Profhide until it is really dry.
    Some people are like a Slinky ... not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you shove them down the stairs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nermal
    Exas, if the saddle gets soaked, dry it slowly at room temperature, more or less. Don't treat it with Profhide until it is really dry.
    Yes, good advice. Same with any good pair of boots: ever got 'em soaked while working? Remember how they stretched all out of shape and never really recovered? That can happen to any working leather.

    Waterproofing: The Myth Exposed. ( I think this should be said. If anyone disagrees, lay on )
    The only really effective waterproofing are silicones. You have to apply tons of it, heated, to get absolute waterproof leather. Unless you do, water will penetrate faster than you think. The leather used to make hunting and workboots is practically cooked in it.

    DO NOT apply silicones to a Brooks saddle - ever - unless you want to completely seal off the wicking characteristics of the leather. That is the primary function, and the reason leather is so comfortable for so many people. The term used to describe this is breathability. Actually, leather doesn't breathe, it wicks body moisture away from the rider, which is something no synthetic saddle cover can do.

    Proofide, pure beeswax, mink oil, etc, etc, ad infinitum, ad nauseum, will effectively increase water resistance without sealing off the pores of the hide. Go easy with any oil application or you may over soften the saddle. Applying too much oil can lead to the saddle doing the same thing as if you are riding it soaking wet, that is: un-controllable sagging. Oil keeps working. That's the problem. You can't tell when enough is enough.

    Beeswax, like SnoSeal, does not soften the leather, no matter how much you apply. A Brooks should always remain hard to the hand, but formed to the body, like a comfy old wood porch rocker. There is alot of speculation about the percentage of beeswax in Proofide, but I suspect it's mostly beeswax because it's a commonly available by-product. Use it strictly in accordance with the instructions because it does contain ingredients that soften leather.

    And another thing - while I fully.... whooo-aahhh!!! ....sorry, the soap box fell over. I'm done.

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    i've ridden Brooks in the rain plenty of times, but like mentioned above, you don't want to ride them when saturated.

    'Waterproofing' a brooks with Snoseal, Obenaufs' montana boot grease will help keep a saddle happier when wet.

    for a much cooler look than the plastic bag look, a Selle Italia waterproof saddle cover, 10 bucks from your local bike shop, orderable from QBP,

    fit Champion Flyers, B-17s and narrower.

    I've switched my tune from always riding a Brooks without a cover, to riding with a Selle Italia cover when it's heavy rain. it's the best Brooks saddle cover I've found yet.

    But a little rain isn't going to hurt a Brooks.
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    I carry a rain cover. It's actually for a Selle Anatomica, but it fits fine and is elastic and waterproof and only $10.00

    I know a plastic bag is cheaper, but hey, it's not that much $$ and looks a lot nicer!
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    If you're too anal to go ghetto with the grocery bag, just use a cheapy shower cap.

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    i'm not a neat freak, but a shower cap is still mighty ghetto.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist
    i'm not a neat freak, but a shower cap is still mighty ghetto.
    Only if you wear it on your head while sitting outside a convenience store, holding a small non-descript dog, and asking for a volunteer to adopt said creature. And oh, by the way, could anyone kick in a little spare change for the puppies at home...?

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    love that pic, beks
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    Quote Originally Posted by exas
    people shouldn't bicycle in the rain anyways (unless you are forced to, ie get caught in a storm along the way). when it's raining you don't go out for a walk without an umbrella. so don't ride in the rain. unless you want to reach your destination soaked from head to toe. but i suppose it is ok if you have an umbrella mounted to your bike . and it would be quite sad to see someone riding a bike on the road with a raincoat on
    So far ive seen you in two threads, one you tell people the RULE to bicycling is to never ride above 14 mph, and if you do you should be in a car, and now you say we shouldn't ride in the rain?

    Sad to see someone in a raincoat on a bike ? Dont ever come to Vancouver, you'll be sad the whole time.

    Ive formed my opinion of you, but I'll refrain from posting that
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    Yeah, dude, the "don't bike in the rain" idea seems a little silly.

    Not everyone has a car and public transportation doesn't necessarily work for all occasions. Maybe you're rich and have the "luxury" of owning a car to drive on less than favorable days. Not everyone else is necessarily so fortunate - myself included. Guess what...I'm not ghetto. Please don't be rude. Good thing you didn't post this in the Living Car Free forum.

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    Don't look .... you'll be sad!!



    Yes ... that's me in a raincoat on a ride through Banff .... one of a countless number of rides I've done where it has rained. (BTW - if you look really closely, you'll see I've got a Brooks B-17 there)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikepacker67
    If you're too anal to go ghetto with the grocery bag, just use a cheapy shower cap.
    I'm not too anal, I just prefer the cover.....nothing wrong with ANY of the solutions presented. I simply presented an option as well.....
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