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    Sticker shock and all

    Finally made it down to my LBS yesterday. Even though I knew to expect the prices, it still hurt... And I wasn't even looking at cyclocross bikes, which is closer to what I think I want anyhow--I only want to ride where the cars go around here, but there's plenty of dirt roads at that.

    I did find out that my current bike is probably oversized for true off-road riding. I have like zip for clearance when standing over it. 19" frame. But when I ride the wife's Fuji Thrill, it "feels" a bit smaller--go figure, it's a 17" frame. Seats at the same height, but top tube is 1" different. Where I've done mostly on-road riding, it's been great, so now I really want to take hers offroad and see if I like that better or not. Alloy bike does feel a bit lighter, I bet I'd like that.

    Anyhow, haven't made up my mind what to start looking for, but those prices still seem too high for me... The LBS guy was quite nice, but I'm not sure yet that I want to drop 1k. Still keeping my eye open for used bikes.
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    Craigslist, SA, GW, and garage sales are all useful places to shop.

    If you are good at wrenching, or are willing to learn, your bike purchasing options open up significantly.

    Not to mention that you will save money in the long run if you know how to wrench.

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    Haven't done much bike wrenching. I've taken apart bmx bikes, years ago, done tubes, kept my old 3 speed going; but very little with the newer/better stuff (10/12/etc speeds, the shifters, that sort of stuff). I am keeping my eyes open for decent used bikes, and will probably get the wife's Fuji tuned up, although it's too small I think for real long rides (MTB and only a 17" frame).
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    Quote Originally Posted by supton
    Haven't done much bike wrenching. I've taken apart bmx bikes, years ago, done tubes, kept my old 3 speed going; but very little with the newer/better stuff (10/12/etc speeds, the shifters, that sort of stuff). I am keeping my eyes open for decent used bikes, and will probably get the wife's Fuji tuned up, although it's too small I think for real long rides (MTB and only a 17" frame).
    What year is her Thrill? Photos? I have one and really like it, even if it's a no-suspension version. In fact, I took it out for a good run today. It's now nice and muddy .

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    There are a couple of mail order alternatives, and they get pretty good reviews in the Cyclocross section.

    http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...reorder100.htm

    http://www.ibexbikes.com/Bikes/X-RAY-RCE-Details.html

    The Bianchi Volpe, though heavy, is a pretty good alternative and it's only about $799.

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    "If you are good at wrenching" and have the time and space to repair used bikes.
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    It's a blue Thrill, 17" come to find out. Not sure on year, but bought used in oh '99 IIRC. I've never quite felt comfortable on it, it's felt too small. Turns out, my Fisher is a 19", and somehow I've always ridden it with about zero standover height. But it feels good on the road. Too bad I've abused that one too much. Anyhow, we'll probably send the bike down to the LBS for a tuneup, and keep that in good shape, while I look around for a better road bike--wife and I are same size and measurements. It now has a rear slick, as I had it on the trainer, and managed to lose the original tire somehow.

    I'm still looking around, trying to figure out what to do. If I was younger and had more disposable income, no prob dropping big bucks on a road bike. Right now, not sure I'm going to get serious into riding, so I'm keeping to the low end of the market. CL has some bikes, but most require a fair amount of travel to get to--I live in the sticks. I did see a new Dawes Lightning come up though. Plus, while I think I want a real road bike, who knows? Maybe I'd be better off on a hybrid with bar ends.
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    Just because you live in the sticks does not mean there aren't some gems out there in NH. Do a search for member pastorbobnlnh and confine your search to the Classic & Vintage forum, and you will see some gorgeous bikes!

    Food for thought...

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    Support your LBS. If bike shops all go out of business because everyone buys online, you won't get any repair help from the internet boys.
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    Oh, I'm starting to keep my eyes open now. Funny, I was starting to get a yearning for the 3spd of my youth; been reading up on Sheldon's page about them. Haven't seen what mine was (I don't remember it that well), but I'm starting to think seriously about used: car needs a bit of work, and I'm guessing it'll be around the price of a new bike. They way it goes, I suppose. Anyhow, I am keeping my eye open, and taken to even keeping the bike rack in the trunk, "just in case".
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    just testing my mad bloging skills yo
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    Have you considered combinig your riding with errands and short trips?

    I can only afford lower cost entry level bikes. But, when I figure the costs of riding a bike compared to driving my car everywhere, I have saved thousands of dollars. Plus the health benefits are priceless.
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    Bikes are simply overpriced for what the average rider needs. Its plain crazy. Unless you're in to the sport as a pro, you don't need to drop that much money on a bike to enjoy one.

    Look for sales and get one for under $800.

    I saw an MTB at my local bike shop today retailing at over $5,000! WTF? That's insane unless I plan to compete for money on the pro circuit.

    Don't lose your head (and money) out there with all the glitter and fast talk.

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    I've gotten to the point of picking stuff up on the way home from work rather than making a seperate trip. Local hardware store (not the cheapest place) is probably 3 miles away, but the grocery store is about 10 (and also on the way home). I just plan ahead and try to reduce the driving just a bit, by only going to places when it's the shortest amount of time (and distance) spent. I also tend to just stay home on the weekends: I like my car, and I like driving my car--but I can only take so much sometimes.

    $800, way outa my price range. Found out that I have a few hundred less, car needs repairs. Gonna make do on the MTB until I find a better (used) road cruiser. Not that the Fuji is bad, but I suspect I'll enjoy something different.
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    search oodle.com

    many of the people selling bikes are willing to ship them

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainTandem
    Bikes are simply overpriced for what the average rider needs. Its plain crazy. Unless you're in to the sport as a pro, you don't need to drop that much money on a bike to enjoy one.

    Look for sales and get one for under $800.

    I saw an MTB at my local bike shop today retailing at over $5,000! WTF? That's insane unless I plan to compete for money on the pro circuit.

    Don't lose your head (and money) out there with all the glitter and fast talk.
    Have you looked at the price of cars lately? Bicycles...even over the top expensive bicycles...are a bargain!

    As with most things in life, you get what you pay for. Yes you can buy a "dual suspension" "mountain bike" at Wally World for less than $200 but I put those words in quotes for a reason. The bike does have 2 springs on it and the frame and controls look like a mountain bike, but I dare you to take it 30 miles back in the woods and not end up as bear poop! Just because Wally World calls it a mountain bike doesn't mean that it will do the job.

    I don't know what supton paid for his wife's Thrill but the 2007 models are in the $2000 range so he can't be that surprised at the price of bicycles. If you go on a dollars/year of use basis, most bikes will return a pretty good value. I have a touring bike that I bought in 1983 for $300. It still works, although it's retired now. $10 to $12 per year seems like a real bargain.
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    I'm not sure what she paid exactly, but in 1998 (or so), when she bought it, it was probably around the $500 mark. maybe her Thrill is a low end one, or the model has gone upscale. My Gary Fisher Advance was about the same, maybe on sale at $450, but that was bought in 1995. No idea what it costs today.

    No doubt, what you can buy today is good quality, and if you look at it over 10-20 years, not a bad price. Unfortunately, one does not buy bikes one year at a time--it's all up front.
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    Quote Originally Posted by supton
    I'm not sure what she paid exactly, but in 1998 (or so), when she bought it, it was probably around the $500 mark. maybe her Thrill is a low end one, or the model has gone upscale.
    Now I'm really interested in photos! I have a Thrill from around 1987 or 88. It's a no suspension hardtail which I just love...

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    I'll see if I can get a photo up. It's a hardtail also, with bar ends and twin water bottle holders. It used to have a rack on it, but that seems to have dissappeared.
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    Quote Originally Posted by supton
    I'm not sure what she paid exactly, but in 1998 (or so), when she bought it, it was probably around the $500 mark. maybe her Thrill is a low end one, or the model has gone upscale. My Gary Fisher Advance was about the same, maybe on sale at $450, but that was bought in 1995. No idea what it costs today.

    No doubt, what you can buy today is good quality, and if you look at it over 10-20 years, not a bad price. Unfortunately, one does not buy bikes one year at a time--it's all up front.
    Damn these bike companies! If they are going to make a new model, give it a new name!

    That said, you can still get a pretty good bike for around that same price (in mountain bikes) and it is 12 years later. Bikes have held steady, pricewise, for a long time.

    For bikes, look at a Jamis Aurora for cyclocross style bikes or, if you want a pure road bike, the Ventura line is value packed. The Redline Conquest is in the $800 range. The Novara Buzz is less than $700. The Trek SU100 isn't a bad bike at $500. The Sirrus Sport or the plain Sirrus are cyclocross like for $700 and $550 respectively. Some of these bikes are road bikes and some flat bar road bikes and some are more mountain bike like. But there are lots of them out there to choose from.
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    ooh, just picked up what I think is a nice road bike--Panasonic Sport 1000. Friction shifters, but scads lighter than my MTB. Time to go find some parts and fix it up, and see if I like the ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyccommute
    If they are going to make a new model, give it a new name!
    Word!

    I think my Fuji Thrill is a mid '80s to early '90s or so, and Fuji is still using the name 'Thrill'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by supton
    The LBS guy was quite nice, but I'm not sure yet that I want to drop 1k. .
    Find a different store. There's no reason whatsoever you need to drop that much coin. For some dumb reason as soon as you say, "I'm going ride off road", salesmen go into, "you need to spend at least $1000" or "you need a minmum of XT" mode. Pure 100% B.S. If that the case why do manufacturers amke $350 Mtn. Bikes?

    As long as your not beating the crap out of your bike or trying to break it you can trail ride with anything. Obviously your bike needs to match your skill level and trail level.

    If you want new...wait a coiuple of mounths until '07's go on close out. 20% off is a good deal. 25% off is a great deal.
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    Actually, it's the road bikes where prices go insane. The cheapest road bike he had was like $550, and it didn't look like they did much for used bikes--I presume it would have been a great transistion point for him to point out his lower cost used bikes, but he didn't go there (nor did I see any). However, they *do* have lower cost MTB's, as I was dropping off my Fisher I was eyeing the Fisher Wahoo, no idea on quality but on sale at $400, it was tempting...

    I took my Panasonic out last night, it feels fast but I'm so outa shape it's not funny. But it's a fun bike to see if I'll like drop bars on. I'm starting to suspect I might like a flat bar better, with bar ends--I didn't get really comfortable on the drops, and I missed the thumbshifters.
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