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    What's a good all around bike

    I'm looking to thin down the herd. Any suggestions on a good all around frame? The bike would be used mostly on road about 80% sometimes off road but nothing extreme. I would probably put no more than 20 - 25 miles during weekday rides and a 50 mile to Metric Century would be the max milage in one ride. It doesn't have to be touring equipped, ie lots of mounting bosses. Just enough to mount fenders. Here is what I'm looking for feature wise:

    1. Fenders that mount easily, no zip ties or half *ss fender mounting.
    2. Clearance for wide tires.
    3. Standard geometry, I don't like compacts.
    4. It has to be steel, this is a must.

    My Waterford RSE-11 does everythin except fender mounting. It doesn't have a bridge on the chainstays to mount the rear fender and the bridge on the seat stays isn't drilled. Waterford said they would be happy to put some braze ons back on and repaint the bike. Problem is the cost is outrageousm IMO. They get $400 to repaint in season and $300 off season. That doesn't count the cost of the braze ons. I figure it's cheaper to sell the frame and start over.


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    Soma Fabrications and Surly both make lower-cost steel frames that are designed for exactly what you have in mind. Look at their Double Cross and Crosscheck models in particular. You'd have to get your LBS to build one up for you, so it might not be the cheapest option. Search the forums for more details on the Soma / Surly frames; the Surly Crosscheck has an almost religious following.
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    Aside from the offerings of Surly check out what Jamis has to offer, they might have something that suits your needs.

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    All right, I'll say it..... Dude, get a Cross Check.

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    Any steel framed cyclocross bikes or touring bikes in the 900-1500 dollar range, probably. They're all variations on a common theme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c_m_shooter
    All right, I'll say it..... Dude, get a Cross Check.
    Cross Check is one of the few framesets equipped the way I want. It seems like a giant step down though from the Reynolds 531 and 753 I'm using now. How does the generic 4130 Surly use compare to some of the better tubesets available? Are they a lot heavier?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cs1
    Cross Check is one of the few framesets equipped the way I want. It seems like a giant step down though from the Reynolds 531 and 753 I'm using now. How does the generic 4130 Surly use compare to some of the better tubesets available? Are they a lot heavier?

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    You can always go custom if you want high end steel.

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    +1 for the Cross Check.
    yes, the frame/fork is probably a pound or so
    heavier than bikes with "higher Tech" steel;
    it offers a great feeling ride.
    room for larger tires (have 42 mm marathons
    on mine); very versatile (1x9 with albatross bars
    for me), not hugely expensive and just about any bike shop can get a frame.

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    If you like the Waterford, keep it and have the work done during the season that it is cheaper. I would think that it would be difficult to sell the Waterford and get a new frame that is the quality of the Waterford. Maybe you could find a used frame, but it is highly unlikely that it would be as nice as a freshly painted Waterford.

    I bought a new bike instead of upgrading my Schwinn Paramount manufactured at the Waterford factory. But it was cheaper to buy a new bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dekindy
    If you like the Waterford, keep it and have the work done during the season that it is cheaper. I would think that it would be difficult to sell the Waterford and get a new frame that is the quality of the Waterford. Maybe you could find a used frame, but it is highly unlikely that it would be as nice as a freshly painted Waterford.

    I bought a new bike instead of upgrading my Schwinn Paramount manufactured at the Waterford factory. But it was cheaper to buy a new bike.
    It's kind of hard to justify spending on a paint job what a new Surly frame would cost.

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