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Old 07-20-07, 05:18 PM   #1
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Two Cyclists Die After Crashing Into Illegally Parked Vehicle

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CHIBA -- Two high school bicycle racers have died after crashing into an illegally parked car here during a training session, police said.

Police are poised to send an investigation report to prosecutors accusing the 31-year-old driver of the car of illegally parking the vehicle.

Tetsuya Sudo, 17, and Takumi Takahashi, 18, both members of the bicycle race club at Chiba Prefectural Keiyo Industrial High School, were riding their bicycles during a training session on Thursday afternoon when they crashed into a parked car on a municipal road in Mihama-ku, Chiba, local police said.

They died from massive injuries they sustained to their bodies. They were to represent Chiba Prefecture in the national high school athletic meet's bicycle race event. (Mainichi)
W...T...F...

Kudos to Japan Probe for the sad news.
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Old 07-20-07, 05:29 PM   #2
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Uh, they couldn't steer around a parked car???
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Uh, they couldn't steer around a parked car???
I'm going to honestly withhold judgment on bike handling abilities until more details are known.

Either way, it's still a tragedy IMO.
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Uh, they couldn't steer around a parked car???
Blind corner at speed?
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It is hard to figure why they couldn't just go around it. Maybe it was a blind corner at speed as suggested. But then if it was they should not have been going around a blind corner at speed. It would be nice if the article had more information so we know what happened here.
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Check this out, if a couple of cyclists went around a blind corner too fast and struck a car that wasn't supposed to be there, it's the car's fault.

Right?

So if a car went around a corner too fast and struck a cyclist, some of you would agree that it's the cyclists fault right?
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I'm sure some guy will say.. "HELLMETS!?" and another will say "HELLMETS DO JACK ALL". I sure hope it doesn't turn into another helmet vs. no helmet thread.
The full japanese version has stuff not lost in translation. such as...
"3 lane straight away with good visibility. Car was parked in the left most lane. There were 4 riders and they didn't see the car."
Tragic, yes. Will something come of it? I sure hope so. Never pleasant to lose lives. So please respect.
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Check this out, if a couple of cyclists went around a blind corner too fast and struck a car that wasn't supposed to be there, it's the car's fault.

Right?

So if a car went around a corner too fast and struck a cyclist, some of you would agree that it's the cyclists fault right?
If it were a car hitting another car, it would never stand up in court. Likewise I am sure if it were a bicycle. You need to have control over your own vehicle.

If someone going fast around a blind corner hits and kills a little old lady crossing the road then the driver / cyclist would be at fault.

Of course there are always exceptions but in almost all cases you are responsible for what is in front of you. Also responsibility is determined not only by the situation but by the jusrisdiction.

IHMO it is simply irresponsible (by car or bike) to go flying around a blind corner when there is no way to know what could be on the other side.

Of course with the lack of information there is no way to determine if this is what happened here.
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I'm sure some guy will say.. "HELLMETS!?" and another will say "HELLMETS DO JACK ALL". I sure hope it doesn't turn into another helmet vs. no helmet thread.
The full japanese version has stuff not lost in translation. such as...
"3 lane straight away with good visibility. Car was parked in the left most lane. There were 4 riders and they didn't see the car."
Tragic, yes. Will something come of it? I sure hope so. Never pleasant to lose lives. So please respect.
If the car was parked in the passing lane of a 4 lane highway then I can see the driver possibly being charged in this case.

But it still begs the question as to why the cyclists did not see the car? I have come up behind cars parked in a passing lane on a interstate. It is very difficult to determine that they are actually stopped and you can get a bit too close for comfort before realizing they are stopped, but this is moving at 70-80 MPH in a car. I doubt the cyclists were going that fast. But perhaps close if it was a decent and they just did not have the time to swerve around the car.
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Weird.

Of course, the driver shouldn't park a car illegally. But the golden rule is that if you can't see what's ahead, you better slow down. I know that drivers who defend their "right" to drive the speed limits around blind corners etc. make me sick to my stomach, so I can't really justify cyclists doing similar things.

But as others said, we don't know what really happened, except that it resulted in a very tragic thing...
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Folks - before we have the usual speculative flame war why not wait for more details or e-mail some of your buddies in Japan for details not in the english version?

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ie...ashi&scoring=d
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Folks - before we have the usual speculative flame war why not wait for more details or e-mail some of your buddies in Japan for details not in the english version?
I'm actually Japanese, fluent too, just born and raised in Canada. Need not go to japan. Just ask me.
But if you find a news update to this, then please do post it, I'll try and translate it for you.
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I'm actually Japanese, fluent too, just born and raised in Canada. Need not go to japan. Just ask me.
But if you find a news update to this, then please do post it, I'll try and translate it for you.
Cool, thanks and sorry, best I could do was googling the Roman letter version of the cyclists Japanese names, whatever the correct term is for that.
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Cool, thanks and sorry, best I could do was googling the Roman letter version of the cyclists Japanese names, whatever the correct term is for that.
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