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View Poll Results: How high would gasoline prices have to go for you to change your lifestyle?
None. I don't drive a car 10 52.63%
more than $2.50 per gallon 5 26.32%
more than 3.00 per gallon 3 15.79%
more than $4.00 per gallon 1 5.26%
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Old 09-09-01, 11:37 PM   #1
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How Expensive would gasoline have to be for you to change your lifestyle?

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There`s no car for me, the gas prices are extreme high(1.50 $/ltr.), and insurance costs a lot.
My bike takes me about everywhere and if I really needed a car, I can lend one.

There`s really a difference between need a car and "need" car,
if you live and work in a big city, itfs not really necessary, because all the things you need (stores, markets, etc) are around the corner.
I don't think many people caught this from Toolfreak who lives in the Netherlands. He points out that gasoline in the Netherlands is $1.50 per liter. That is about $6.00 PER GALLON!!

He accurately points out that this kind of cost to drive redefines the idea of "NEED" to drive vs. "WANT" to drive.

I travel around the world on a regular basis and have seen what the automobile culture has done to the American lifestyle. Because gasoline is so cheap, Americans spend an exorbitant amount of time in their cars and spend less time actually living. This is certainly the case for most mothers and children who spend most of their afternoons being driven around from one activity to the next. Many of them eat meals in the car as they drive around town.

The Automobile started out making things more accessible to people in the 1940's and 1950's. Now, however, automobile culture has developed a society which requires long drives just to access the simple things in life like groceries and piano lessons.

If there is one stark difference I notice between USA lifestyle and that of other countries is that Americans spend so much time "on-the-go" in automobiles. Other nationalities seem to enjoy a much more leisure pace "where they are". I believe that one major reason for the less frantic lifestyle is that the cost of an automobile dictated lifestyle prevents non-Americans from this insanity.

How much would the price of gasoline have to be before you changed your lifestyle to the extent that you drove 1/2 as much as you do now?

That would probably mean getting a new job or moving closer to work. It might mean the kids take piano from a teacher in the neighborhood instead of across town. You might even have to shop closer to home despite the discounts available at the superstore 15 miles away.
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Old 09-09-01, 11:49 PM   #2
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You might even have to actually live within 350 miles of where you work . I don't see how "on the go" can be used to justify living a long way from where you work. I personally couldn't afford to cram in a 3 hour daily commute right about now because I have too much to do.

In response to the original question, I might consider changing my lifestyle (i.e. actually getting a car) if they actually paid me to use gasoline. Until then, I'm very happy living the way I am now thanks.
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Old 09-10-01, 07:22 AM   #3
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price of fuel in u/k roughly compares to about 6.80 pergallon . much to expensive!
Maybe I will own a car again someday . I think it will be a long wait until the vehicles have been developed enough to run on electric/hydrogen fuel.
That may be to long to wait (shant live long enough).
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Old 09-10-01, 07:36 AM   #4
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Gas is $1.25 a gallon here in Augusta, Georgia...Cheap compared to $6+ I am changing the "drive everywhere" mentality I once had. Now, rather than drive, I plan ahead so that I can cycle to most destinations.

The bigger problem for our household would be getting everyone to do the same! We americans are terribly dependent on cars, and perhaps you are right Mike, it would take a major jump in price to get most people to look at other options.
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Old 09-10-01, 07:58 AM   #5
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The great thing about not having a car is I don't even know what gasoline costs now. I do remember living in the country and one of my major expenses was filling the tank. It was a drag.
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Old 09-10-01, 09:07 AM   #6
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I didn't vote on a price.

For me, I have bike commuted to work for a couple years but currently have a job that doesn't make it feasible.

My office is relocating and I'm trying to make it work again.
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gasoline

What? Not only does it smell but you need to pay for this thing?!
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Old 09-10-01, 02:40 PM   #8
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Americans think their gas is cheap because of the pump price, they don't think about our military being used as a strong arm for the oil companies.Let me tell you, if there were no oil in the middle east the US would not maintain a military presence there.
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Let me tell you, if there were no oil in the middle east the US would not maintain a military presence there.
Well, not unless their president needed to get his "little roving ambassador" off the front page of every newspaper in the country (G'day Bill!)
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If there is one stark difference I notice between USA lifestyle and that of other countries is that Americans spend so much time "on-the-go" in automobiles. Other nationalities seem to enjoy a much more leisure pace "where they are".
It's hard not to quote all of Mike's post, but I must. What can be added? Perhaps this part of his post jumped out at me a little more. It struck a note.

Cycling (as transportation) has opened up a whole new world for me.

It is a world of "being there," as opposed to, "rushing to get there."

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I live in a town of 60,000. Get this, the population has did not change between 1990 and 2000, but they are building houses in this town at an enormous rate. Most of these houses are being built on what was previously crop land and they tend to be in the $200,000 range. Do you think any of these people bike downtown, or take the bus? I don't think so.

15 years ago this town had two parking garages, now it has 4 with a 5th in the works. Iowa City has an excellent bus system and is fairly bike friendly, but people still seem to be so stuck on their cars, they need to drive them the couple of miles downtown.

When will they ever understand?
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We'd love to get rid of the car we have, we're just not at that point yet. But we avoid using it as much as possible. The last time we moved it was friday when I used it to get to a job interview. That job, if I get it, is within biking distance. It's just that I figured for the interview, it would be better for me not to show up all sweaty, with windblown hair and no makeup.
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It's just that I figured for the interview, it would be better for me not to show up all sweaty, with windblown hair and no makeup.
Yeah that can be a problem. In those context I often bring a spare set of clothes and change before hand. If it is really of primary importance to look spotless (which is rare over here) without a drop of sweat I even take a taxi.
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I use taxis a fair bit, actually -- particulartly in the winter. Financially, it's a better deal for me than a car because I can claim cab fare as a professional expense on my tax return. On the other hand, I really don't enjoy the sensation of riding in a car, with nothing to do and no control over where I'm going. At least I'm distracted on the bus and metro.
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It's just that I figured for the interview, it would be better for me not to show up all sweaty, with windblown hair and no makeup.
You do realize that, to a male cyclist, that is the very definition of feminine beauty... ;-)
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I use taxis a fair bit, actually -- particulartly in the winter. Financially, it's a better deal for me than a car because I can claim cab fare as a professional expense on my tax return.
In this silly town where I live, taxis are unpractical because there are so few of them it is impossible to waive them down the street. It takes up to 30 mins wait if you just call for one. This was initially one of the thing that made me look seriously into bike for getting around town.
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