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Old 09-10-07, 08:42 AM   #1
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Cyclist (iPod User) hit, killed by train in IL

Article from today's Kane County (IL) Chronicle - my local paper:

Bicyclist killed by freight train
By EMILY PREVITI

BURLINGTON – A bicyclist struck and killed by a freight train Sunday evening has been identified as Gerardo Turrubiartes, according to Kane County Sheriff's Lt. Pat Gengler. Turrubiartes, 42, of St. Charles was hit by a westbound Canadian Railways train on Engel Road, Gengler said.

“It was very violent,” Gengler said. Police believe that Turrubiartes was killed instantly. He was not carrying identification. An iPod and helmet were found at the scene along with the bicycle, which was so badly damaged that investigators could not discern the point of contact, Gengler said.

The incident is the first involving a train this year in Kane County, Sgt. Brandon Gentry said. Gengler said the train’s conductor called 911 around 5:35 p.m. Nearly three hours later, the train remained halted on the tracks, which are owned by Canadian National Railways.

Surrounded by cornfields, the junction lacks red flashing lights and guard rails, Gengler said. There is, however, a sign advising upcoming train tracks, Gengler added.

Police believe that Turrubiartes was riding his bicycle north on Engel Road. Kane County Emergency Management Office workers blocked off Engel Road at its intersections with Plank and Lenschow roads.

Personnel from the railway and Burlington Fire Department also responded, according to a statement from police. Calls for comment from the railway were not immediately returned.



- This really hits home for me, as this is the county where I live and ride. I am intimately familiar with this train crossing, as it is on the route for our club's annual charity ride each June, a ride that I have planned, made the route map for and signs for the ride. Our weekly club ride also frequents this road several times each season.

I really don't understand people that road ride with an iPod. Out in the corn and soybean fields, with the wind in your ears, the sense of hearing is really important in bike safety, especially when riding in a group. I can understand using an iPod in one ear when riding on a MUP, but the road? In my riding group we call them 'future organ donors' when we see them out riding - sad to see this sick joke come true.
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I really don't understand people who post threads about someone dying and then insert a comment about iPod users being organ donors.
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I really don't understand people who post threads about someone dying and then insert a comment about iPod users being organ donors.
Maybe they feel that some readers won't/don't get the point?
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Gosh, now the obligatory "the cyclists was/wasn't wearing a helmet" will be joined by "the cyclist was/wasn't wearing headphones". *sigh*
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Maybe they feel that some readers won't/don't get the point?
Well, that really was the point. I certainly didn't mean to be disrespectful, and I did mention it was a sick joke/comment, one that I won't be making again on rides. As I mentioned, I see nothing wrong with using an iPod in one ear when riding, so that the rider can still hear what's going on around them. Out on the road, it has no place, and this case illustrates why. Countless times when passing a rider/roller-blader/walker using an iPod, we have had to literally scream out a warning when passing, often to no avail. Just sayin'......
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Turning the volume down on said iPod would also be effective.
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From what I do know about trains, they are required to give a minimum 15 second blast, in 3 or 4 increments, from their horns at all road crossings without signals or gates. I could hear our trains coming several miles away without any windroar or earpiece impedence, and even a bicyclist with an I Pod should be able to hear a train horn several hundred feet away. Either the train operator failed to properly signal with his horns, or the bicyclist with the I Pod failed to comprehend the signal of the train's approach, or a combination of both. A train alway wins in a ped, cyclist, motor vehicle collision.

My condolences to the bicyclist and to his family members.
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i used to go over that crossing all the time when i lived in st. charles.

lots of assumptions being made here. and this is probably just the tip of the ice berg with people getting on their soap boxes.




sad. my condolences to his loved ones.
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Countless times when passing a rider/roller-blader/walker using an iPod, we have had to literally scream out a warning when passing, often to no avail. Just sayin'......
Ah, the same stuff over and over again.... If the rider/blader/walker listening to music is moving predicably, why is there a need to audibly warn him of your passing?
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The fact that a person was killed is a tragedy to both his friends and family as well as to the cycling community as a whole. If in fact he was doing something stupid when he was killed, it is even a greater tragedy, in that it could have been prevented. If we as a community cannot learn from someone else's mistakes, then we are doomed to suffer similar consequences. I don't really care what you choose as your impediment to awareness, be it music, cell phone, drugs or alcohol, if you are not aware of your surroundings, I don't want to share the road with you, BAD things will happen.
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I don't really care what you choose as your impediment to awareness, be it music, cell phone, drugs or alcohol, if you are not aware of your surroundings, I don't want to share the road with you, BAD things will happen.
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I really don't understand people who post threads about someone dying and then insert a comment about iPod users being organ donors.
Well, it should be obvious that not all people killed while riding are suitable organ donors. If and when you use your Ipod is your choice.

My condolences.
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I tend to be against riding with Ipods. However, you can be deaf and avoid getting hit by a locomotive at ttrain crossing. More at work here than just wearing an Ipod.
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I really don't understand people who post threads about someone dying and then insert a comment about iPod users being organ donors.
So they can make some assumptions point finger and say "told you so".
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At its simplest, this was 'rider error'
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"I really don't understand people that road ride with an iPod. Out in the corn and soybean fields, with the wind in your ears, the sense of hearing is really important in bike safety, especially when riding in a group. I can understand using an iPod in one ear when riding on a MUP, but the road? In my riding group we call them 'future organ donors' when we see them out riding - sad to see this sick joke come true."

No sorrow here. Many, many times on this board this topic comes up with the racer boys or the
foolhardy young shouting down more mature reason so that they can be "fashionable" to pander
to peer acceptance and ride with both ears plugged with ear buds. Bull *****!!!!!

Mature reason has posted many times how to mount/wire speakers on a bike to leave the ears
free of earbuds that act as ear plugs!!!!!!

Nope, no sorrow here.
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Fool hardy, racer boy, peer pressure....
hmmm.....
I wee bit condescending are we?

I am far from fool hardy, not a racer, and have no peers. So....?
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Go for it, crank it up.

Next ....
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People don't kill people, ipods kill people. Something like that.
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His organs would have been pretty badly damaged in a hit by a train. So no, they don't make good organ doners.
I thought they taught you in school... "make sure a train isn't coming your way when crossing a rail road" , "Don't change gears while on the tracks", "Do not, for any reason, stop in the middle of the tracks", "Don't try and beat a RR crossing". Even a standard "look both ways" would have done.
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One hopes this person's family never has the misfortune of reading the outpouring of sympathy that you people are NOT showing. A person died. Must you use a tragedy as a source of humor?
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so I suppose thew deaf shouldn't be allowed to ride bikes then?
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Riding with an Ipod, much like a helmet, is a personal decision about risk assessment and mitigation. We don't even know if the Ipod was being used while riding. Perhaps some folks here would do better having a moment of sympathy for someone who died as the product of a simple human mistake any one of us could've made.
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A thread was posted in the forum asking if wearing a music player (MP3) would make a rider fast or motivated. I of course don't consider it safe to ride with headphones or whatever covering my ears, so much more talking on a cell phone while riding. I feel sorry for the family and my condolesences to them. When riding, safety is of utmost responsibility to all. It's common sense that when you ride to always remain alert and on guard with your surroundings for any dangerous situation. To this day, I continue not to wear an earbud or headphone while riding. In another forum, another cyclist was hit riding without a reflector and lights by a police officer in Arlington, TX. As much as we like to ride our bikes and always in danger when on the road, we are also responsible for our own safety. It's sad to read tragic incidents such as this two accicents over the weekend.
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i've tried the whole riding with the ipod thing, defo just think it's far too dangerous now. gave my self a few frights during that experiment and decided it's not for me...

sad news about that guy...terrible news RIP
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