Bruce Gordon BLT, Cannondale parts bike, Ecodyne recumbent trike, Counterpoint Opus 2, miyata 1000
As long as my "friends" are held securely on my 12 mile to or from commute I even skip the padding. After enough thousands of miles the spandex on most bike shorts gives. My Performance shorts now require a set of briefs under them for support. I biked during college and found loose trousers or shorts with supportive briefs worked best. My Performance rain gear has lasted 20 years.