Whatever happend to the Kickstand?
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I don't know how anyone can actually claim laying a bike on its side is more practical than a kickstand for everyday riding. That being said, I do find I am fastest with a shaved head, after I have pissed, taken off my shoes, had liposuction, and removed the seat/handle bars. Not real practical for turns, but very fast!
You don't want to be depending on a stand that might sink into the ground to hold it up. In a pinch you can lay it over like this.
Or lean them together like this.
Frankly, after having a loaded bike fall over a couple of times into the traffic lane in the late '70s I ditched the kickstand and never looked back.
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yeah, yeah, you can also get an Esge Pletcher twin legged kickstand and alleviate a lot of that worrywarting about your loaded touring bikes tipping over.
many tourists use twin leg kickstands and have little or no trouble picking spots to use them, even on dirt roads gasp!
you sink the kickstand in, fasten the front wheel and you are good to go. remember the Flickstand? it was a handy aid to keep a loaded touring bikes' front wheel straight. wasn't it a Blackburn product?
Here's some photos of loaded bikes on kickstands, on dirt, gravel and snow- no problems.
many tourists use twin leg kickstands and have little or no trouble picking spots to use them, even on dirt roads gasp!
you sink the kickstand in, fasten the front wheel and you are good to go. remember the Flickstand? it was a handy aid to keep a loaded touring bikes' front wheel straight. wasn't it a Blackburn product?
Here's some photos of loaded bikes on kickstands, on dirt, gravel and snow- no problems.
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If I'm leaving my bike unattended it's locked against something. If bike thieves and vertical objects such as walls ceased to exist I just might put a kickstand on.
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Ever get off the bike to stretch, wee-wee, pick up something shiny, adjust your clothes, or any of a million other reasons? Sometimes there is something to lean it against, and sometimes there ain't. The kickstand is useful for the ain't scenarios.
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I have a kickstand on my commuter. It comes in handy, especially when transitioning. I swear somedays my bike just wants to fall over, though, and the kickstand really makes it act like it has a mind of its own. I can't decide whether or not the twang is more annoying than the fact that the LBS charged me for it. Seems to me that at least a basic bottle cage and kickstand should be included in the price.
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Originally Posted by OP
Whatever happened to the Kickstand?
Around here, bikes still come with kickstands, with the exception of dedicated road cycling and MTB bikes.
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yeah, yeah, you can also get an Esge Pletcher twin legged kickstand and alleviate a lot of that worrywarting about your loaded touring bikes tipping over.
many tourists use twin leg kickstands and have little or no trouble picking spots to use them, even on dirt roads gasp!
you sink the kickstand in, fasten the front wheel and you are good to go. remember the Flickstand? it was a handy aid to keep a loaded touring bikes' front wheel straight. wasn't it a Blackburn product?
Here's some photos of loaded bikes on kickstands, on dirt, gravel and snow- no problems.
many tourists use twin leg kickstands and have little or no trouble picking spots to use them, even on dirt roads gasp!
you sink the kickstand in, fasten the front wheel and you are good to go. remember the Flickstand? it was a handy aid to keep a loaded touring bikes' front wheel straight. wasn't it a Blackburn product?
Here's some photos of loaded bikes on kickstands, on dirt, gravel and snow- no problems.
The Flickstand was made by Rhode Gear and was marketed to be used primarily on bikes without kickstands. My experience (from the dusty mists of time) with kickstands was that the wheel needed to be turned towards the stand to make the bike it's most stable. At straight front wheel would destabilize the bike...not stabilize it.
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I had to pay extra to have this Greenfield installed on my new bike. It has an extension made of aluminum tubing that was added by the LBS. It works just fine on the uneven or soft ground I encounter whenever I stop off the pavement around here. Not too many walls to lean it against.
I like the kickstand. It gives the racer types something else to whine about after they have run through their standard negative comments about my wheel reflectors and handlebar mirror.
I like the kickstand. It gives the racer types something else to whine about after they have run through their standard negative comments about my wheel reflectors and handlebar mirror.
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One of my bikes has a kickstand, the other doesn't. I've adapted.
I never really understood the 'kickstand weight' argument. If you really wanted the ultimate lightweight method of conveyance, you wouldn't use a bike at all -- you would walk from one place to the other stark naked!
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I never really understood the 'kickstand weight' argument. If you really wanted the ultimate lightweight method of conveyance, you wouldn't use a bike at all -- you would walk from one place to the other stark naked!
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Not intended to be a plug, but, at last year's Seattle Bike Expo, I met the founder of https://www.click-stand.com/
This thing weighs almost nothing and supports any loaded tour bike from the top tube. Comes with a parking brake. I love mine and use it all the time. I paid dearly for my panniers and will only lay them down in a moment of extreme need.
This thing weighs almost nothing and supports any loaded tour bike from the top tube. Comes with a parking brake. I love mine and use it all the time. I paid dearly for my panniers and will only lay them down in a moment of extreme need.
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I can't imagine laying my motorcycle on its side every time I get off the bike. This isn't the exact version I own, but these kickstand wideners keep my motorized two wheeler from falling over in the mud when camping.
https://store.bobsbmw.com/index.asp?P...OD&ProdID=3402
Of course, when my Trek is hooked up to the trailer it is almost impossible to lay down. I suppose the trailer could also be flipped over on its side, but then my wife wouldn't be happy if I did that with my daughter still strapped in. Maybe I could just ask a thief to hold my bike up until I get her out of the trailer?
I also tried laying my truck on its side, but now just prefer to leave it upright.
https://www.beloblog.com/ProJo_Blogs/...40301%20BM.JPG
https://store.bobsbmw.com/index.asp?P...OD&ProdID=3402
Of course, when my Trek is hooked up to the trailer it is almost impossible to lay down. I suppose the trailer could also be flipped over on its side, but then my wife wouldn't be happy if I did that with my daughter still strapped in. Maybe I could just ask a thief to hold my bike up until I get her out of the trailer?
I also tried laying my truck on its side, but now just prefer to leave it upright.
https://www.beloblog.com/ProJo_Blogs/...40301%20BM.JPG
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I don't have any need for kickstand so I don't have them currently. But I think they are great if one does.
I know two high milage (20k mi/yr) cyclists who have been high mileage riding for 25yrs+, who race very competetively in their age group and have kick stands on all their bikes including the ones they race on.
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I know two high milage (20k mi/yr) cyclists who have been high mileage riding for 25yrs+, who race very competetively in their age group and have kick stands on all their bikes including the ones they race on.
Al
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Kickstands rock. I didn't spend thousands on my bikes to have them lay on the ground or scrape them on a wall, which I've done and it made me run out and get a kickstand.
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That click stand is a neat idea, but I prefer the integration of an installed stand. I think if only because the last thing I want to do is keep track of one more thing when getting on and off my bike.
Hell I am thinking about adding a stand to my keirin bike, which would probably horrify just about everyone out there.
Hell I am thinking about adding a stand to my keirin bike, which would probably horrify just about everyone out there.
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Kickstands have gotten a bum rap in the past. Early models were heavy and unatractive. They were kinda bolted to the bottom of the bike. People who rode with them frequently did little maintenance on the bike so the arm would sometimes impact the crank arm making for a noisy ride. It just did not spell riding efficiency.
There was a class of bike called a "touring bike". It has milder angles, and longer wheelbase, often equipped with front/rear panniers. This was not a cut-rate Walmart bike. It was well constructed and very durable. It needed a good sturdy kick stand because you don't want to lay a fully loaded bike on its side. They have become passe and the new so-called "better bikes" did not come with them for effiency reasons. (I bet Lance never uses one). As a result, they became frowned upon as inpractical and extraneous because you could simply lean the bike against a wall or lay it on its side.
Nothing wrong with them at all. I have not seen any kickstands lately, but I imagine the ones that exist today are lighter and more effiecient than the old clunkers of yesteryear.
There was a class of bike called a "touring bike". It has milder angles, and longer wheelbase, often equipped with front/rear panniers. This was not a cut-rate Walmart bike. It was well constructed and very durable. It needed a good sturdy kick stand because you don't want to lay a fully loaded bike on its side. They have become passe and the new so-called "better bikes" did not come with them for effiency reasons. (I bet Lance never uses one). As a result, they became frowned upon as inpractical and extraneous because you could simply lean the bike against a wall or lay it on its side.
Nothing wrong with them at all. I have not seen any kickstands lately, but I imagine the ones that exist today are lighter and more effiecient than the old clunkers of yesteryear.
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I've grown to appreciate the clatter of mine as I go over rough pavement. It also works very well when I'm on the road, and I want to stop here for a break (stretch the legs, get a snack, whatever). Plenty of spots on the road where ther is no guard rail to lean against, and plenty of times when I've had it and just want to stop and not look for an "ideal" spot.
To each their own.
To each their own.
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You seem to be very defensive about your choice to use a kickstand.
If everyone boardwalk cruised, tootled along on bike paths and towed their spawn around in trailers then many more folks would have kickstands.
The cycling population is not that homogeneous obviously.
If everyone boardwalk cruised, tootled along on bike paths and towed their spawn around in trailers then many more folks would have kickstands.
The cycling population is not that homogeneous obviously.
I am not defensive, but simply confident in the practicality of a kickstand for most people. IMHO the lack of kickstands being included on bicycles is illustrative of how the bike manufacturers market to people who think they will race their bikes rather than ride them.
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Most cruiser, comfort and hybrid bikes I've seen come with kickstands.
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We put kickstands on the childrens bikes(the few that do not come with them) We will also put a kickstand(free) on a comfort bike that does not come with one(most of them do) if the person wants it(most don't)
I wish all bikes came with kickstands. Then the average rider would have a simple mod that would make his bike lighter and maybe he would leave all the screws with the "H"s and "L"s next to them alone.
I wish all bikes came with kickstands. Then the average rider would have a simple mod that would make his bike lighter and maybe he would leave all the screws with the "H"s and "L"s next to them alone.
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