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Old 08-20-03, 10:21 PM   #1
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Hybrid VS touring bike

I live in NYC and have been riding for the past 10 years on a raleigh 5 speed road bike. I commute daily with it as well as riding in bike tours. My bike has preformed incredibly over the years. i have riden it in two centurty rides as well as numerous shorter tours.

I am currently trianing for the september 7 century ride and have finally admitted to myself that a new bike would really make things easier. While I can do a century with my bike, it kicks my ass.

So should it be a road or a hybrid? I will likely rarely ever go off road. And most of my riding is not long distances.

should it have front shocks? Front, rear?
what should it be made of (i.e. allum, steel).

What do you think?

Thanks so much for your help.

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Old 08-20-03, 11:59 PM   #2
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Personaly I would go for a touring bike, a hybrid is a cross between both but doing neither really well. Keep the Raleig for the commuting and if you want to ride some trails. Or another option you can look at Cyclocross bikes they are basicaly a touring geometry but can handle larger tires and sue canti brakes.

I would stay away from front shocks unless you are doing heavy trails since otherwise will just add weight that you have to pedal around.

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Old 08-21-03, 03:14 AM   #3
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If drop bars dont scare you, then definately do with a drop bar touring bike.
The lowest grade of touring bike ($600 fuji or REI) are roughly equiv to the highest grade of hybrid in terms of constutction/materials etc.

Do you want an expedition touring bike for extended camping (eg Bruce Gorden BLT) a lighter weight one, suitable for hostel touring and some camping (eg Bianchi San Remo ) or a fast, light century bike than can do hostel touring (eg Bianchi Eros)
If you are a big guy, then the Al Canondale is good, but otherwise, steel is better. Unless you are very wealthy, then get a Ti lightspeed.

My tourer is a std english club touring bike, pretty much the same as the San Remo. It is good unladen, with a hostel load, or a camping load, and is lighter in weight than any hybrid bike. The wheels are stronger, and I have ridden it on rough mountain trails.
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If drop bars dont scare you, then definately do with a drop bar touring bike.
The lowest grade of touring bike ($600 fuji or REI) are roughly equiv to the highest grade of hybrid in terms of constutction/materials etc.

Do you want an expedition touring bike for extended camping (eg Bruce Gorden BLT) a lighter weight one, suitable for hostel touring and some camping (eg Bianchi San Remo ) or a fast, light century bike than can do hostel touring (eg Bianchi Eros)
If you are a big guy, then the Al Canondale is good, but otherwise, steel is better. Unless you are very wealthy, then get a Ti lightspeed.

My tourer is a std english club touring bike, pretty much the same as the San Remo. It is good unladen, with a hostel load, or a camping load, and is lighter in weight than any hybrid bike. The wheels are stronger, and I have ridden it on rough mountain trails.
Whats the weight?My hybrid with pedals,bag,2 cages and pump is 26 pounds.
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Old 08-21-03, 08:49 AM   #5
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I don't have a bike in mind yet so I don't have a weight.
I've done some research and as far as hybrids go, it looks like the Specialized Sirrus is pretty nice.
However, it also seems that people think that steel is a more comfortable ride than Alum, and I'd rather give up some speed for saving my back and shoulders.
What do you ride?
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03 felt SR71 alum and a 2000cannondale hybrid,alum,both for sale and a 2003 fuji Marseille,steel.
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I have a Specialized Sirrus.

I love that bike, but for long hauls, I wouldn't have bought it knowing what I know now. My arms and shoulders are killing me. Definitely consider going with a touring bike or a road bike. Skip a hybrid- those straight handlebars are a killer.

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Thats why my cannondale has a front{almost adds zero weight**shock.It helps alot.
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I will pick up my Bianchi Vlope tomorrow. I can't tell you I like it yet but on paper it looks like the answer to your questuin.
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I've also been recommended a Surly or a Fuji Cross. Does anyone have any experience with these bikes. Basically what I want to do is probably put on higher handle bars than what ever comes with the bike. This will hopefully save my shoulders.
By the way, do other people have positive things to say about front shocks?
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Old 08-22-03, 01:15 AM   #11
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I have an aluminum framed hybrid which I have used for touring and several centuries. While it is basically fine, I wish now I had bought a steel frame bike with drop bars instead. The aluminum frame is jarring over rough surfaces and the flat bars resulted in numbness in my hands. I once had the opportunity to ride a Bianchi Volpe, and the difference was significant. The steel frame made the ride like butta, and the drop bars with the different hand positions were much better for the long haul. The only thing I didn't like was the shifters integrated with the brake levers. I would swap them for bar-end shifters, but that is my personal taste. As for the height of the handlebars, even with drop bars you can put on a stem with a higher rise and/or different length to get the bars in a comfortable position. For road riding, I don't think front shocks are necessary, especially with a steel frame. But personal taste has a lot to do with it. Some people go touring on mountain bikes.

joeprim, I think you will be happy with the Volpe. It's a great bike for the price.

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Old 08-22-03, 07:58 AM   #12
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Brennan, can't you put drop bars on your Hybrid?
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I just recently built a Surly Cross Check as a do-it-all type bike. I focused on durability, not light weight. I bought the frame/fork and put the parts I wanted on it. This allowed me to customize the bike to my preferences, which included:

- leaving the steerer tube very long, so I can get the handlbars up as high as my seat. good for visibility and comfort.
- using heavy duty components (grease guard headset, suntour xc9000 front hub, mtn bike rear hub, mtn bike derailleurs, alex adventurer rims, cartridge bottom bracket, etc)
- moustache handlebar
- bar end shifters
- 22/32/42 LX cranks
- 11/32 cassette

I like the bike. It is very well built and rides nicely. I've used it on the road a bit, but primarily on dirt trails/roads.

As far as shocks go, I personally wouldn't add them to a touring or commuting bike. I have several bikes. The ones that see "serious" off-road use (24 hour racing, technical riding, etc) have shocks. The bikes that stick to rail-trails, roads, and fire-roads do not have shocks. For me, it is uneccessary weight, inefficiency, and complexity.
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hey bbaker.

Way to go on your surly.
I've heard great things about it. The only complaint seems to be that it's really heavy, which may be a drag for em given I have to carry it up two flights of stairs.

Have you ridden any alluminum bikes and do you see a difference in how they feel vs a steel bike. I'm talking on the road and city streets?
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I have.Went from my alum felt to my steel fuji and its like going from my 93 jeep to my 02 altima.
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There are quite a few on hear that have the Fuji Cross including me, it is aluminum but does not have a harsh ride at all. If you get a chance take it for a test ride, you will be pleasantly surprised how it rides. I would stay away from shocks they will just add ALOT of weight to the bike. The Fuji cross has a carbon fork and absorbs ALOT of the road vibration, also the drop bars give you alot of hand positions so makes it a very comfortable bike for a long ride.
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How much weight does everybody think a shock adds?I bet mine is 2-300 grams,maybe 400.
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Fork weights for comparison

26"
Surly 1x1 Fork 2.46lbs (this is a really heavy rigid fork)
RockShox Duke Race 3.74lbs (light/medium weight shock)
Manitou Black Elite 4.2lbs (medium weight shock)

~1.3-1.75lbs or 590-794g difference


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Manitou Luxe (3.5lbs light road shock)
Time Millenium Helix (1.3lbs light/medium weight road fork)

~2.2lbs or 998g

Fairly significant differences to me...


As far as steel vs. aluminum frames go. I've ridden lots on both and can't honestly quantify the difference. Most of my bikes have large enough tires that the frame differences are imperceptible...
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What model fuji?
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Brennan, can't you put drop bars on your Hybrid?
I've thought about that, but I'm not sure if I will do it. If I got drop bars, I would also have to buy new shifters/brake levers. Also, I would still have the aluminum frame. I thought about buying a steel cyclocross frame plus drop bars, shifters, brake levers and using the rest of the parts to build a new bike. But I recently bought a new mountain bike, so I think I will hold off on spending more money right now.
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2 pounds is quite a bit on a bike you are riding long distance and for what real benefit? If going off-roading is definately worth it, but if just riding roads and light trails will not make much difference in comfort of the ride.
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BS.You must not have tried one.I have a CD silkpath hybrid with a single spring headshock D.You can lock it out with a twist while you ride.I've rode the same route with shock and with it locked out and you can for sure feel the difference.A lot less jarring with shock and a bit faster without but at a price to hands and arms.Also hardly any weight.Its just a spring,half inch travel i think.Its for sale to.
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Headshok Silk Path D 3.4lbs

http://www.cannondale.com/bikes/tech...h_spownman.pdf

Good luck with the bike sale...
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I recently went to my LBS and test rode a new carbon fibre Cannondale road bike and a Giant touring bike, and I preferred the 27 speed aluminum frame Giant. It was much heavier (about 25 pounds), but had a longer wheelbase and bigger tires. I test rode both over the same downtown Lexington, KY course, and the Cannondale ride felt harsh on the rough streets. They were asking $1500 for the Cannondale and $1200 for the Giant.
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Headshok Silk Path D 3.4lbs

http://www.cannondale.com/bikes/tech...h_spownman.pdf

Good luck with the bike sale...
Wow,i am shocked!There's nothing there.
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