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Old 08-22-03, 05:22 PM   #1
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Kill all Hummers!!!!

This is an old topic made new by the size and decadence of the beast called Hummers. A ride this past weekend was almost made a disaster by a Hummer on a country road. As our group was riding we were benignly attacked by one these giants. I say benignly because the driver had no idea she took the entire lane and more on this two lane country road. As a result we were forced off the road by her rolling Stegosaurus. Whose idea is this? What's next, a tank available for commercial sale? Hummers must die!!!!
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Old 08-22-03, 05:51 PM   #2
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You wouldn't be responsible for this would you? If so, can I turn you in for the reward?

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BTW- I drove a hummer in the great war to end all wars back in 1991. I really liked mine. It was great if you had to get 600lbs of explosives to your enemy's facilities in a hurry. The damn thing was a mountain goat and very reliable. No bike rack though...

Ok, I'm through making light of what I am sure was a very scarry situation. But I don't think the make of the car has anything to do with the incompetence of the driver. Most drivers suck. Some suck worse than most. And if only one in a hundred are dangerous, That means we meet with 5 to 20 dangerous drivers a day.

I'm truly sorry you got ran off the road.
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A Hummer dealership close to where I live was set ablaze early this morning by a couple arsonists on bicycles........ hmmmm
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I'm just glad the new H2 is smaller then the real HUM-V. Most soccer mothers should stick to minivans, because they are mini... i dont think they have the skills needed to drive a SUV as big as a H2. Or so i have noticed with this new h2 craze. Please spare me, if i wanted a hummer i would want it OD green, or desert camo, with all the millitary trimmings (NOTHING!).

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I'm glad that the US military uses Hummers. Our nations' security is worth it. I agree that soccer moms and yuppy a-holes are not qualified, and do not need to drive these things. But here's to a free country, where we are free to be as stupid as we want.
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The H2 is a Suburban in new dress. The H1 is pretty much like driving a duelly. I feel that any vehicle class which is a departure from the standard midsize or compact that most people are taught to drive in initially should require the operator to undergo special training. As a matter of fact, I would certainly like to see automobile dealerships be required to include/provide a vehicle familiarisation course for the owner of a new vehicle upon purchase and before that owner can take delivery.
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Not to be argumentative here but training is an ancillary point. There are some vehicles that do not belong on the road, these things are just too large to be safe, even in some military situations their girth proved to be too unwieldy. Now add to that a driver who is watching television or listening to one of his 4 cd players or whatever. Unsafe at any speed
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Not to be argumentative here but training is an ancillary point. There are some vehicles that do not belong on the road, these things are just too large to be safe, even in some military situations their girth proved to be too unwieldy. Now add to that a driver who is watching television or listening to one of his 4 cd players or whatever. Unsafe at any speed
I think driver training has everything to do with it. As for the width... a Ford F350 truck has an even wider footprint. A Hummer H1 has a width of 81.2". An F350 duelly which is the same class of vehicle has a width of 94.7". Would you also exclude them? Even a non-duelly F350 is not much leaner at 79.0". Ambulances and work-trucks are typically 95" or more wide. If people can learn how to drive these vehicles through effective training then it is possible for people to learn to drive Hummers effectively. You make it sound as if the Hummer's width stretchs from sea-to-shining-sea. Let's look at other vehicles of other classes too. Corvette - 73.6", Ferrari 360 - 75.7", Dodge Viper - 76.0", mid-90's Chevy Impala - 77.5", Audi A8 - 79". All of these are not that much thinner than a Hummer H1. Most are within half a foot of being as wide.
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Perhaps we ought to determine the merits or demerits of a vehicle like the Hummer according to the things it does to all of us rather than the things it does for those who drive them. With fuel efficiency somewhere around 11 miles to the gallon, use of the Hummer H2 makes us more dependent on oil, which, in turn, makes us more likely to go to war in oil-rich areas of the world. Even if we can forget that the world's oil resources are limited and, if we continue consuming gasoline the way we consume it, bound to run out before we have developed alternative fuels and transportation methods, we ought to remember that consumption of fossil fuels adds to ozone pollution and pumps more carbon dioxide into our already warming atmosphere. If we consider, too, that Hummer drivers use them pretty much the same as other drivers use their vehicles--that is, drivers alone in their vehicles--we ought to realize that very few drivers have legitimate reasons to drive Hummers or other vehicular behemoths; they drive them simply because they want to drive them. Driving such environmentally and socially destructive vehicles may well be our right, but we exercise that right at the expense of our responsibility to preserve our environment and our social order for future generations. I would not want to prevent people who legitimately need them from driving them, but I'd like those who do not need such large, inefficient vehicles to stop destroying our future.
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I think people who want to drive a certain size car need special training and licensing, like commercial drivers and pilots.
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This is an old topic made new by the size and decadence of the beast called Hummers. A ride this past weekend was almost made a disaster by a Hummer on a country road. As our group was riding we were benignly attacked by one these giants. I say benignly because the driver had no idea she took the entire lane and more on this two lane country road. As a result we were forced off the road by her rolling Stegosaurus. Whose idea is this? What's next, a tank available for commercial sale? Hummers must die!!!!
Your problem wasn't the Hummer. It was the driver.
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I agree with the the need for training/testing for driving anything larger than a minivan. If they can successfully parallel park the behemoths in a tight space, then they can get a licence to drive them.

Last month I was sitting in the middle lane of a three lane exit from a grocery store (one right turn exit lane, one left exit, and one entrance). A young buck in a decked out over size pickup was turning into the entrance lane and managed to nearly hit me in my lane and clip the curb at the same time. Of course he yelled at me to move out of his way. As he pulled on by, I yelled back that he should get a small vehicle to match his driving ability. He took exception to my advise and tried to turn around his truck to come back towards me, but in his oversized PU his U turn became a 5 point turn which backed up traffic in every direction. By the time he got straighten out I was a block away and he never bothered to follow-up on our "conversation"!
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He took exception to my advise and tried to turn around his truck to come back towards me, but in his oversized PU his U turn became a 5 point turn which backed up traffic in every direction. By the time he got straighten out I was a block away and he never bothered to follow-up on our "conversation"!
All right, BLWYN! You have my number. If you run into him again, call me. Just keep going in circles around the guy. Even if I am across town, I should be able to make it to your location before he gets turned around.
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All right, BLWYN! You have my number. If you run into him again, call me. Just keep going in circles around the guy. Even if I am across town, I should be able to make it to your location (by bicycle) before he gets turned around. With the two of us circling around him, he should run out of gas before he catches either of us.
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Perhaps we ought to determine the merits or demerits of a vehicle like the Hummer according to the things it does to all of us rather than the things it does for those who drive them.

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Kind of an inside joke. BLWYN and I live in the same town.
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I was run off the road by a Beetle, does that meen they are evil too?

I don't understand why people blame cars for the drivers stupidity.
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I was run off the road by a Beetle, does that meen they are evil too?

I don't understand why people blame cars for the drivers stupidity.


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And the old man that hit 14 riders from a Tampa cycle club was driving an Oldsmobile.

Heck, I've been passed by the most curteous drivers in a full tandem 18 wheeler, so it's all in the driver's attitude, not in the size of the rig.
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were not blaming the cars, if you all have read the posts were ranting and raving tha most people cant DRIVE them. I mean take any geo driving commuter and stick them in a hummer... see how they do.
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were not blaming the cars, if you all have read the posts were ranting and raving tha most people cant DRIVE them. I mean take any geo driving commuter and stick them in a hummer... see how they do.
But my point is that they are just as stupid in the GEO.

And the title does say Kill All Hummers, not the drivers.
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But my point is that they are just as stupid in the GEO.

And the title does say Kill All Hummers, not the drivers.
true, but most "average" people have no idea how to handle things as big as a hummer...

but yes.. it is the person fault
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