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Old 11-25-07, 02:25 PM   #1
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How old are these 2 oldies?






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Sexy, no?
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The guys over in the Classic and Vintage Forum would probably know.
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They both look like mid 70's to me based on components etc. Date codes on the components can be checked at http://vintage-trek.com

EDIT: Classic & Vintage has one regular that really likes mixtes... So I am sure there will be good information over there. And I think he is from the bay area too.
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The Bridgestone is probably around 1982 or 83. The Suntour ARX was a low end mountain bike group if I recall correctly.

The Motobecane is a little older...probably 1977 to 1980...and likely with Suntour VxGT derailers.

Both bikes are okay but nothing to write home about. Entry level bikes. And the mixte design was a mistake from the beginning.
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The Bridgestone is probably around 1982 or 83. The Suntour ARX was a low end mountain bike group if I recall correctly.

The Motobecane is a little older...probably 1977 to 1980...and likely with Suntour VxGT derailers.

Both bikes are okay but nothing to write home about. Entry level bikes and the mixte design was a mistake from the beginning.
Neither are entry level bikes. Entry level bikes didn't have forged dropouts with integral derailer hangers nor cotterless aluminum cranksets. They are at least mid level quailty. The mixte design was popular with families that only had one bike for both male and female riders. I Rivendell still makes mixte bikes. I have a female friend who just bought one.
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I'm surprised that no one said anything about the neon green handle grips.
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Neither are entry level bikes. Entry level bikes didn't have forged dropouts with integral derailer hangers nor cotterless aluminum cranksets. They are at least mid level quailty. The mixte design was popular with families that only had one bike for both male and female riders. I Rivendell still makes mixte bikes. I have a female friend who just bought one.
Entry level bikes...that's bike store bikes not department store bikes...of the late 70s had everything you see on those two bikes...including forged hangers and aluminum cranks.

The mixte design was marketed to small women because it gave better standover height but the problem with the design was that they pushed the front end further out and made the effective top tube length longer than a corresponding mens frame. For small women that have shorter arms to begin with, this lead to all kinds of comfort and handling issues. My wife had at least 2 of them (about the same level as those pictured) and was never comfortable with them. Things got much better when the bike makers started to 'really' design bikes for women.
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Here's a site that might help you determine the age of the bikes, assuming the components are mostly original. My guess is that they are. Click on "component dates" and you'll find date codes for the major component brands you can match to the date codes stamped on your components. www.vintage-trek.com

My guess is the Bridgestone is from around '84, I have an all-original 1984 Schwinn le tour that has Suntour ARX derailleurs on it. I think the Motobecane is likely a few years older than the Bridgestone. The Bridgestone is indeed the "better" bike, it's a chromoly frame with forged dropouts, whereas the Motobecane appears to have a high-ten tubing decal, and it also has stamped dropouts with an adapter claw derailleur hanger. The components seem to be better on the Bridgestone as well.

edit: I see that Little Darwin already posted the link to vintage trek, sorry-

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Old 11-25-07, 08:44 PM   #11
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Entry level bikes...that's bike store bikes not department store bikes...of the late 70s had everything you see on those two bikes...including forged hangers and aluminum cranks.

The mixte design was marketed to small women because it gave better standover height but the problem with the design was that they pushed the front end further out and made the effective top tube length longer than a corresponding mens frame. For small women that have shorter arms to begin with, this lead to all kinds of comfort and handling issues. My wife had at least 2 of them (about the same level as those pictured) and was never comfortable with them. Things got much better when the bike makers started to 'really' design bikes for women.
Funny, I've found exactly the opposite to be true. The mixtes I've had experience with have had especially short effective top tubes. My wife's current bike is no exception:



Either is this one:



The Bridgestone has the edge with its cromoly frame and forged Suntour dropouts, but the Motobecane has the distinction of being made in France
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To most people those bikes are probably nothing special. They would make great fixed gear conversions though. I am pretty sure that there are a few people looking for such bikes in the fixed gear forum. Just can't remember who though.
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I think mixte has always (since at least the 70's, anyway) meant Ladies Bike in the US.
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Old 11-26-07, 12:40 PM   #14
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I think mixte has always (since at least the 70's, anyway) meant Ladies Bike in the US.
Ladies bike? Hot damn... I'll still rock it..
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That Bridgestone would make a great singlespeed conversion. May or may not be a hassle in finding a better saddle because you might also need a new seatpost.

Oh and "Mixte" is French for "mixed" (if you couldn't guess). It's unisex, like all bikes, but mixed by means of halfway between a "traditional" men's and women's frame. Only slightly heavier than a regular frame but also a bit stiffer in the drivetrain (and that's good).
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That Bridgestone would make a great singlespeed conversion. May or may not be a hassle in finding a better saddle because you might also need a new seatpost.

Oh and "Mixte" is French for "mixed" (if you couldn't guess). It's unisex, like all bikes, but mixed by means of halfway between a "traditional" men's and women's frame. Only slightly heavier than a regular frame but also a bit stiffer in the drivetrain (and that's good).
I was thinking the same thing about converting the Bridgestone into a fixie. I have an extra seatpost that I'll throw on tonight.

One drawback of the mixte when I first got it was the weight, esp. the rear end.
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how old?

The Motobecane (sp) is probably in the 1973 range, no idea on the other
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Thanks everyone for the input.
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