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k_tech 12-11-07 04:57 PM

Do you have driver's guilt?
 
I bike a 7 mile round trip commute to a co-worker's house who I carpool with. I ride in all temps and my ride to work is in the dark in the winter. If it's very rainy or foggy, my spouse really prefers that I drive. To keep her from worrying, I tend to do so. However, when I do drive I feel terribly guilty about it. My main reason for riding is to save money on gas, and to ease up my impact on the environment as well. There's also some times when I have arrived at my co-worker's house after a shift (I work in EMS) so extremely exhausted and in pain that I call my spouse to come get me. I know that I could've probably made the ride home (albeit very slowly) but for lack of a better excuse, I didn't feel like it. I'd say for every 25 commutes, 3 or 4 will be made by car. Should I feel guilty? Or rather, why am I feeling guilty? And does anyone else experience something similar?
Maybe I'm just weird....

linux_author 12-11-07 06:13 PM

- i don't feel guilty when i have to use my truck, especially since it's a tad hard to transport an 8-foot rowing dinghy (no gas motor, folks) 15 miles to the inter-coastal...

- or when i had to get a couple cubic yards of mulch from the county's free mulch pile...

- or when my neighbor needed 1,000 lbs of concrete for a retaining pond dam...

- so no, i don't feel guilty - ever...

- especially since i'm doing my weekly vegetable shopping at the local farmer's market by bike tomorrow morning...

:-)

Machka 12-11-07 07:23 PM

I drive all the time now, and I don't feel guilty.

mikepoole 12-11-07 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by k_tech (Post 5789723)
[...]
Maybe I'm just weird....

Naah- you're just trying to be perfect.

Don't feel guilty because you've got to use Plan B sometimes- at least you're making 21 of those commutes by Plan A. You're batting 840 :)

donnamb 12-11-07 10:09 PM

No car, no guilt. :)

roadfix 12-11-07 10:51 PM

I don't feel guilty about spending $50 per week on gas. But I do feel guilty if I miss my routine fitness training ride or jogging that I do.....

Abneycat 12-11-07 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mikepoole (Post 5791629)
Naah- you're just trying to be perfect.

Don't feel guilty because you've got to use Plan B sometimes- at least you're making 21 of those commutes by Plan A. You're batting 840 :)

Agreed. You're doing well by yourself!

Sometimes its just natural to feel like you could still be doing plan A, but even B has its merits. You don't need to suffer a pained ride, or danger, simply to go 100%. That 21-22 out of 25 is a lot of good!

If you really wanted, you could always get some nice high power lights and an electric assist kit. That would take care of the low visibility, and the tired ride after the shift :)

k_tech 12-12-07 12:21 PM

good to know and thanks for the comments. sounds like i'm just a little hard on myself at times. (this is something i'm told frequently by more than one person.)

bkaapcke 12-12-07 05:03 PM

You commute to work a lot, compared to most of us. That means you're excused from rain duty. Really! Save the guilt for some other mischief. bk

Bikepacker67 12-12-07 05:30 PM

Whether you should feel guilty or not isn't for us decide.

You sound like you feel a little bit guilty, and only you can answer to why that might be.

I know when I feel guilty regarding the bicycle, it usually has something to do with my wimpy mind, not taking its rightful place over irrelevant matter.

HillMut 12-12-07 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by donnamb (Post 5791752)
No car, no guilt. :)


Ahhhh, freedom.

CastIron 12-12-07 06:54 PM

See a shrink.
WTH goes on in your EMS service that you are so fried you can't make it home? Seriously.

DataJunkie 12-12-07 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by HillMut (Post 5797293)
Ahhhh, freedom.

Nope. One van to haul multiple bikes + many bikes = freedom.
Van sitting all week waiting for the weekend means that I can afford the gas bill.
So, mass transit and my bikes make it such that I can afford my van easier.

socal619 12-13-07 01:29 AM

I feel guilty when I drive and wear my "Burn fat, not oil" shirt. People expect me to ride then, I was picking up some groceries and bought a case of bottled water and a bunch of other stuff, the cashier asked me if I was going to carry all that on my bike. Made me feel like a poser. In truth I could have ridden the bus, its free to college students here. Ahh well.

KrisPistofferson 12-13-07 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by CastIron (Post 5797644)
WTH goes on in your EMS service that you are so fried you can't make it home? Seriously.

Administering CPR to children until they flatline, then having to live with it, all the while having the parents scream at you because you killed their child. Dealing with morbidly obese people who haven't washed certain areas of their body in many years, and have a cottage cheese-like substance growing under their man-boobs, right about where you have to attach the heart monitor. Surly drug overdoses who may or may not try to stab you with an IV needle who may or may not have HIV.

Do you think about questions before you type them?

CastIron 12-13-07 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KrisPistofferson (Post 5799697)
Administering CPR to children until they flatline, then having to live with it, all the while having the parents scream at you because you killed their child. Dealing with morbidly obese people who haven't washed certain areas of their body in many years, and have a cottage cheese-like substance growing under their man-boobs, right about where you have to attach the heart monitor. Surly drug overdoses who may or may not try to stab you with an IV needle who may or may not have HIV.

Do you think about questions before you type them?

How do you think I make a living genius? :rolleyes:

k_tech 12-13-07 05:38 PM

i'm afraid kris really nailed it on the head, there. and i should add, dispatchers that are totally clueless and think that sending an ems into a scene (without police) where someone is trying to blow their head off is totally safe and acceptable. but anyway, that's a discussion for another board.
i found this morning that even after a rough night and being up for over 24 hours, the ride home really cleared things up for my brain and let my body rest, not just fall into a completely exhausted state.
ya'll are right. no more guilt.

CastIron 12-13-07 06:32 PM

When my tire clears the curb, it all just melts away. Having said that, our shift and service structure is likely quite different.

Michigander 12-13-07 10:21 PM

Yes, I do. When I get out of this economic nightmare known as Michigan and get a steady job, I plan on getting a more fuel efficient car. I love my Crown Victoria and plan to keep it around, but I DO feel guilty for driving it daily.

darksmaster923 12-13-07 11:04 PM

convert ur engine to run on water

Sixty Fiver 12-13-07 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donnamb (Post 5791752)
No car, no guilt. :)

What the pretty girl said.

ZXiMan 12-14-07 02:33 AM

What's a "drivers kilt"? :lol:

Stacey 12-14-07 05:21 AM

Drivers guilt? Ha!

Being a leukemia patient with a host of complications, I haven't ridden since Halloween. Hell, I have three bikes in my stable that I haven't ridden yet. If it weren't for my pickem-up truck I couldn't even go to the doctors.

thirdin77 12-15-07 03:04 PM

I think that the whole idea of driver's guilt is dogmatically based.. I think as people who have incorporated cycling into our lives we presume, implicitly, that we ought to never drive again. I think that presumption is fine for lots of people who meet a certain criteria but for those of us living in sprawling suburbia with its high-speed overpasses and interchanges (dangerous!) there are only certain places and times when/where it is safest to ride. I know that I will (road) ride only when I have the energy to sprint up and through overpasses and interchanges because I want to get through them as quickly as possible.

As for riding in the rain, that's when we're talking about reduced visibility and traction for automobiles which would be fine if people drove reasonably but they don't; they drive too fast when conditions are good and they still drive too fast when conditions are poor. I agree with your wife- it's safer to be off the roads when people in SUV's are speeding in low-visibility, low-traction conditions because they feel that if they hit someone or something that they and their occupants will be unharmed.


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