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    aggression deterents?

    list some ways to deter motorist aggression.

    wear a swat or army shirt? or something along those lines?

    would an air zounds help?

    etc...

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    Don't dress like beatniks, you know, the buddy holly rolled-up jeans, old 1920s cap, thick-rimmed glasses.

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    There was a post elsewhere about research done as to how close people drove to cyclists under different conditions. One of the things was that looking more like a normal person and less like a lycra-clad roadie seemed to get you some extra good will.
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    Mount a .50 cal on your handlebars.

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    I've seen enough people who were shocked and surprised when a cyclist (myself) suddenly popped into their awareness. A few respond with anger. I make sure I am very visible day or night.
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    I am gonna try lots of lights this year, front and rear. And put one on a strap on my back. One on the rear of my bike and two headlights, one strobe flashing. I plan to ride to work in dark in hte AM.

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    Um, smiling seems to work pretty well... :meek:

    That and having lots and lots of lights so they see me in the first place, my smile's not THAT brilliant after all!

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    1. Follow the rules of the road.
    2. Ride predictably.
    3. Be visible.
    4. Smile and wave! See the smilie in my signature line.

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    pepper spray, a collapsing baton, and a cell phone to call the car driver an ambulance if he doesn't leave you be.
    If he hits you, its over anyway. if he gets out to confront you, see above options.
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    I have one of those collapsible nightsticks, and don't advocate carrying one in sight on bike. I used to work at a moderately dangerous gig and kept it on my belt. Rode home with it a few times, and it seemed to generate additional aggression.

    Honestly, aggressive appearances can generate *additional* aggression from the "tougher than thou" crowd (teenagers, guys in trucks, etc.. I hate to stereotype, but this is the norm from what I experienced), or unease from the general public. If you want the least aggression, don't dress silly, and don't dress aggressive. A happy medium is the best route, IMO.

    It does sit strapped to the back of my repair pack though, in a pouch. No one can really tell what it is in that scenario, but its available should it be needed. Never had to use it, only had to bring it out once, and never hope to again.

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    This is an interesting thread. There's the Machka approach and there's the GlassWolf approach. Personally, I go with the Machka approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machka View Post
    1. Follow the rules of the road.
    2. Ride predictably.
    3. Be visible.
    4. Smile and wave! See the smilie in my signature line.
    +1, great advice.

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    I'm all for keeping thins civil as long as possible, but it's not always an option unless you take Ghandi's approach and let someone beat you without resistance if they choose. I'm just not that passive. I also fully agree on keeping the items for self-defence concealed. I should have mentioned that, and thanks to Abneycat for doing so.. I'm a little 'not myself' at the moment on meds and such in the hospital after some surgery problems, but I do think having a means to defend yourself on hand is a fair idea. The batons fit under a saddle, and pepper spray fits in a tool bag or a water bottle/cage. Of course waving them around and making yourself a source for attention will bring you just that, and not in a good way.

    The problem with the internet and forums is that any thought stated by ssomeone is always taken to one extreme or another by someone responding, and after that things just tend to snowball and lose any rationality. At least we're not to that point yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GlassWolf View Post
    The problem with the internet and forums is that any thought stated by ssomeone is always taken to one extreme or another by someone responding, and after that things just tend to snowball and lose any rationality. At least we're not to that point yet.
    Another issue is trying to capsulize your thinking into just a couple of sentences. It almost never comes out exactly right and somebody generally picks up on the exceptions. I apologize if you feel that my post put you in a bad light that you didn't intend. My personal experience has been that friendliness begets friendliness and aggression begets more aggression. Maybe I just should have said that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abneycat View Post
    Honestly, aggressive appearances can generate *additional* aggression from the "tougher than thou"
    I dunno about that.
    Often, passive timidity is exactly what these cowardly ******bags are targetting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikepacker67 View Post
    I dunno about that.
    Often, passive timidity is exactly what these cowardly ******bags are targetting.
    Correct. I have had major problmes a couple of times that werent people not paying attention, which I think is our biggest fear. Last year a guy pulled up behind me on a 4 lane, got real close and honked the horn, then sped by me real close trying to scare me or something. Too bad for him all the traffic was stopping in front of him. He had no where to go so I caught up with him. I pulled up beside him on his passenger side, (only reason i did not go to jail). He was about 130 lbs just weak looking. He stared striaght ahead and rolled up his windows as I was explaining his family heritage to him. Point being, he could not intimindate people in the real world so he though since he was in a big car he could mess with a guy on a bike. I have not even seen him since. Hopefully I broke him of that little game. Smiliing probably would not have helped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikepacker67 View Post
    I dunno about that.
    Often, passive timidity is exactly what these cowardly ******bags are targetting.
    "Friendliness" doesn't mean "passive timidity" I'm being friendly with you right now but I'm not being passively timid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machka View Post
    1. Follow the rules of the road.
    2. Ride predictably.
    3. Be visible.
    4. Smile and wave! See the smilie in my signature line.
    +1

    Also, if a driver does or says something that you take offense with, don't return the favor. Don't escalate the situation. Obviously we have the right to defend ourselves from attacks, but if the situation can be defused before it gets out of hand isn't that better than a knock-down drag-out fight? If you do get into a verbal altercation try to stay calm and logical. Forbid that you end up in court over this, but far better for witnesses to remember the cyclist as rational, calm and reasonable than a screaming and threatening idiot.

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    Have to agree with Mr. Cummings, be seen, stop at lights and signs.
    Not too much to say here

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfishin View Post
    list some ways to deter motorist aggression.

    wear a swat or army shirt? or something along those lines?

    would an air zounds help?

    etc...
    How about a fake, long blond, ponytail hanging under the back of the helmet?
    Probably work better if you're not 200lbs and 6 foot like me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coldfeet View Post
    How about a fake, long blond, ponytail hanging under the back of the helmet?
    Probably work better if you're not 200lbs and 6 foot like me.
    Might start something worse than aggression

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    Quote Originally Posted by making View Post
    I pulled up beside him on his passenger side, (only reason i did not go to jail). He was about 130 lbs just weak looking. He stared striaght ahead and rolled up his windows as I was explaining his family heritage to him. Point being, he could not intimindate people in the real world so he though since he was in a big car he could mess with a guy on a bike. I have not even seen him since. Hopefully I broke him of that little game. Smiliing probably would not have helped.
    In this situation, I want something I can jam up the cager's exhaust tailpipe (assuming a single one). If the exhaust system is properly tight, the engine dies. Don't want to carry a potato around, any ideas? In your case, if that wimpy cager then emerged from his cage, have a second object to shove up elsewhere in the cager.

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    Quote Originally Posted by making View Post
    Might start something worse than aggression
    Well, I'm really aiming this at guys. the stubble would probably put them off when they get
    a good look.

    Seriously, there was some study done in the UK which amongst other things, found an
    increase in passing distances when the rider wore a fake ponytail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doored View Post
    In this situation, I want something I can jam up the cager's exhaust tailpipe (assuming a single one). If the exhaust system is properly tight, the engine dies. Don't want to carry a potato around, any ideas? In your case, if that wimpy cager then emerged from his cage, have a second object to shove up elsewhere in the cager.


    Hmmm... Anyone here read SnowCrash? I'm thinking of the stickers Y.T. used on Hiro before they became partners.
    "Smooth Move ExLax" and "That Was Stale" I'm sure you can come up with others.

    I don't think, on the other hand, that this will decrease aggression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machka View Post
    1. Follow the rules of the road.
    2. Ride predictably.
    3. Be visible.
    4. Smile and wave! See the smilie in my signature line.
    +1 this is the best way to prevent or minimize aggression. But in the tiny percentage of cases where this fails and some mutt attempts to assault you, off comes the smile and you respond as VIOLENTLY AND LOUDLY as possible - the goal being to either cause the assailant to stop his aggression on his/her own, to subdue the aggressor, to create an opening that will allow you to escape, or to call attention to the situation to others who may come to your aid.
    "Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey

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