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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarr View Post
    Hate to throw this bomb into the thread, but Wal-Mart and other superduper stores usually have sub $200 bikes. Sure, they're crap, but that's what you're going to get for that price, even if it comes from a dedicated bike store.

    Right now part of the problem with cycling adoption is that it's not yet "worth it" for most people. Even a lot of totally broke people I know have huge televisions or fancy cells and stuff. Cheaper bikes aren't going to lead to more adoption in my opinion. If people on a budget really want to bike, they do.

    The thing that would bring out more new cyclists at least in urban centers is reducing the risk AND the theft rate. Risk reduction can be done by advocating better bike lanes and traffic management, and of course cyclist education. The theft rate is a more tricky proposition; we need new technologies that make bike theft a risky and expensive enterprise. Like a lojack or something. Because as it stands bike theft is easy, low risk, and profitable.

    Anyway tl;dr Inexpensive bikes in my 'pinion are already on the market and don't serve to forward anyone's agenda (including bike store profits).
    I think the problem is the Huffy Syndrome. People had these cheap bikes when they were kids and that continues to be the yardstick. They have never been sold on the benefits mid-range or lower mid-range bikes. Or, to put it another way, they have never been sold on the shortcomings of cheap bikes.
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    My LBS has bikes ranging from 99 up to 1000, and as is the case you get what you pay for.

    But it does have one good point, you know when you wheel your bike out of the shop that it is safe to ride, no matter how much you paid. He will have set up the brakes, the gears, checked everything was in order. Or he SHOULD have done.

    My eldest son went to Halfords (I tried, trust me I tried!) and got a bike for 150, and when he got it home and I checked it was totally unfit to ride, braking non-existent, gears needed setting and the lock ring for the BB was actually spinning around the crank-axle between the crank and the adjustable cup. Halfords do make a point of telling us how each bike is checked when sold, but this was not.

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    ive been think about this a lot,


    it does not seem to be as much an issue of quality, but rather the types of bikes the low end market caters to, lets see, bmx, full suspension mountain bikes, massive cruisers extc

    none of the bikes in wal mart or target are practical or capable bikes for transportation,

    until this changes, until shops and the big chains carry properly suited low end bikes (ie, a British style three speed with a rack or w/e) im still going to have major beef

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    Quote Originally Posted by i86o View Post
    ive been think about this a lot,


    it does not seem to be as much an issue of quality, but rather the types of bikes the low end market caters to, lets see, bmx, full suspension mountain bikes, massive cruisers extc

    none of the bikes in wal mart or target are practical or capable bikes for transportation,

    until this changes, until shops and the big chains carry properly suited low end bikes (ie, a British style three speed with a rack or w/e) im still going to have major beef
    One problem is that the true British 3 speeds were in reality fairly expensive bikes. A Raleigh Sports in today's dollars would buy a middle of the line Breezer City bike. About a week to 2 weeks salary for a blue collar/retail/service worker.

    WM was selling a 3 speed with fenders (actually they had two different models that I am aware of) it went for around $120-$130 depending on the area. It was not a bad deal for the money. It came with the ashtabula style crank, but there is nothing wrong with one of those for a low end bike. The bikes are no longer being sold by WM, either they didn't sell enough of them or they couldn't keep the supply price point down. Some were Shimano some were Sturmey Archer. Biggest problem to me is that they only came in one size...as is typical. Very few companies make the inexpensive bikes in the larger frames sizes including Breezer.

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    It still amazes me how we can ship our scrap metal overseas, and have it return as a bicycle that is cheaper than what I paid for my Schwinn over 40 years earlier.

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    I think public perception is that $150 to $250 should buy a good bike. They go to Walmart or Target to try and get something , and they buy some ridiculous thing with as much suspension as possible and as many "whiz-bang" features thinking they are getting more for their money. Walmart and Target have no interest in repeat bike sales, so they dson't care that the experience is crappy.

    The major bike manufacturers have generally stayed out of the sub-$500 range and have been ostracized whenever they went big box. Originally I thought fixies and single speeds were going to make biking accessible, but many of the manufacturers put on the bling and rode the trend into the ground with hipster $500 and up bikes which cost the same as entry level road bikes. Then you look at other accessible bikes like the new Trek Lime, and, again, they are priced too high for the public.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flatlander_48 View Post
    Or, to put it another way, they have never been sold on the shortcomings of cheap bikes.
    That's OK. The Department-Store-Bike-Bashers and/or LBS pimps/aficionados will keep up their sales pitch and keep chanting the mantra that cheap bikes are the product of Satan and not suitable for Real Bicyclists.

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    Bikes, bowling balls, golf clubs, pool cues, pocket knives, cigars, widgets, gadgets, gizmos, etc, etc, ad infinitum; the story is all the same.

    If you get interested enough in anything to start paying attention to it, you eventually notice that all "entry level" and/or "Mass-market" examples of the object(s) of interest are crap. Some go on to belittle the *fools* that consume such crap and berate those scum that would produce or offer same for sale.

    Likewise many "Connoisseurs" demand that the producers of "good quality" products offer their wares at the same price aforementioned "crap" can be bought.

    Don't get me wrong, I too would like Porsche to produce a car at a Cobalt price point so I could enjoy German engineering at a Chevrolet price, but I digress.

    We all buy, use, and are happy with some pretty low-end products and services that special interest groups find appalling. Seriously. I know people with audio systems that cost more than my whole car.

    Perhaps you stated it in the OP and I just missed it, but what *problem* are you trying to get someone to solve?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarr View Post
    Hate to throw this bomb into the thread, but Wal-Mart and other superduper stores usually have sub $200 bikes. Sure, they're crap, but that's what you're going to get for that price, even if it comes from a dedicated bike store.

    Right now part of the problem with cycling adoption is that it's not yet "worth it" for most people. Even a lot of totally broke people I know have huge televisions or fancy cells and stuff. Cheaper bikes aren't going to lead to more adoption in my opinion. If people on a budget really want to bike, they do.

    The thing that would bring out more new cyclists at least in urban centers is reducing the risk AND the theft rate. Risk reduction can be done by advocating better bike lanes and traffic management, and of course cyclist education. The theft rate is a more tricky proposition; we need new technologies that make bike theft a risky and expensive enterprise. Like a lojack or something. Because as it stands bike theft is easy, low risk, and profitable.

    Anyway tl;dr Inexpensive bikes in my 'pinion are already on the market and don't serve to forward anyone's agenda (including bike store profits).
    Quote Originally Posted by wahoonc View Post
    There is a huge difference between "inexpensive" bikes and cheap bikes.

    IMHO there are many suitable inexpensive bikes on the market, but they are hard to find and are not sold at every retail outlet. KHS Green is one that comes to mind (but I have yet to see one or even find out how much they sell for.) Walmart was selling a 3 speed for $120, but it is NLA. It was inexpensive, and border line on cheap.

    Marketing plays a huge part in it. In America, in particular, it seems that appearances are everything. People want something that looks the part, whether it works or not. Walmart has made a huge fortune off of that very principle. Until people are willing to vote with their dollars and not just buy what is pushed on them it will continue.

    As far as an LBS selling them, first you have to get the customers in there to buy them. Then you have overhead to deal with. You can make a better profit selling 3 high end bikes vs 3 cheap bikes. Then there is the public perception of the LBS..."they only sell expensive stuff" (justifiable in many cases). We own a bridal shop. People are convinced that anything we sell is probably overpriced. They seem to think that only the best prices come from big box stores. In reality it doesn't work that way most of the time, but try to change that mindset.

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    I look at it in another way. People in North America have been carefully conditioned to be "bargain shoppers" by the advertising media for many, many years. Big box stores like Target, Wal-Mart and K-Mart have nice gleaming bikes all lined up ready to go out the door at just a very low price. The bike shops are generally not as large, and have similar (but not the same) looking bikes for more money. What do you think the average joe or josephine would do? Go for the cheapo one of course. Never mind that the thing never works right. He/she will just hang it up in the garage or shed after 1 or 2 tries or attempts in the name of "exercise" or "weight reduction." And another bad impulse purchase pushed out of sight and out of mind. Until education and luck can shift the general population to better choices and purchases, more bike shops will be doomed just like the department store bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akatsuki View Post
    I think public perception is that $150 to $250 should buy a good bike.
    $150 to $250 SHOULD buy a good bike, no matter what. plain and simple, when good bikes become affordable, more people will buy bikes. dropping a thousand dollars on a bike should be considered stupid. every person should be able to walk in to ANY bike shop, and know that they can walk out with a WONDERFUL bicycle for less than $300, helmet included. leave the fancy high end stuff for competitive cyclists. give the rest of us affordability! the more companies price "us" out of the nice bikes, the less interest there is.

    i'll say it right here and right now: i will never spend more then $500 for a bicycle. i work full time for meager pay and support a family. i should not be priced out of my favorite activity. so i buy used, work deals, and trade favors. no one deserves my hard earned little dollars. they have to earn it. don't tell me i should save my money up either; i live in the real world, where any savings can be taken in an instant (medical emergency, house/car repairs, whatever).

    the point is this **** gets ******** expensive sometimes, and it's really not worth it.

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    Your LBS could never buy those El Cheapos for the same price that Wally buys them. Wally has the space to display many models, your LBS doesn't. Wally buys thousands of them, your LBS cannot. These junkos supply a need. A cheap affordable bike for a kid learning to ride who will beat the **** out of it, jump curbs, leave it out in the rain, will not oil or service it, will out grow it and just doesn't care about it. And whats left, will be passed on to the next in line or trashed. A learning tool.
    Imagine what dear old Dad would say/think if he saw a bike worth 2 weeks pay being treated like that!

    On the other hand, Wally doesn't have the personnel to answer any technical questions regarding anything.

    Your LBS is a specialist. They should be able to cater to your wants and needs. Answer questions, be knowledgeable. They ARE the experts. They sell a better product to a more sophisticated clientele.

    Nothing wrong with a cheap entry level bike. If you get into biking you can pass the cheapo along and graduate to the next level. If you decide you don't like it, not much lost.

    I guess they both have their niches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev.Chuck View Post
    There are all kinds of serious cyclists. This guy for example:



    Not all serious cyclists race road bikes.
    Didn't Lance ride a bike just like that on his final TDF victory?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobn View Post
    Your LBS could never buy those El Cheapos for the same price that Wally buys them. ...

    Your LBS is a specialist. They should be able to cater to your wants and needs. Answer questions, be knowledgeable. They ARE the experts. They sell a better product to a more sophisticated clientele.

    I guess they both have their niches.
    No LBS has the numbers, but together you would think they could persuade one manufacturer to come out with a simple 3-gear bike with something similar to sport-touring geometry and designed for an actual good biking experience. Have it come in enough sizes and both male and female geometry and basically no options except for color and basket or not.

    The thing is, most people who aren't biking don't give one damn about the parts or the fit, they want to hop on and go- one reason why cheap junker mamachari's and used dutch bikes in their respective countries do well. I think most LBSs are far too intimidating with lots of CF bling in the front and too much spandex. They like to emphasize their hardcore nature

    And at the same time, the LBS and the racer manufacturers depend on a steady pool of bicyclists being formed. The casual market provides the pool that they need, there is no way I would ever have been into road biking without my trusty Schwinn and later Peugeot.
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    Anymore the only way I think I could justify spending less than $200 on a bike would if it were a refurbished used bike, or if I had kids and they needed a bike. I don't have time to mess around with fixing and adjusting a crappy bike most of the time. That's why I stick with single speeds, I guess.

    I am going to start refurbing a older road bike I was given, but that's a whole different animal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by akatsuki View Post
    The thing is, most people who aren't biking don't give one damn about the parts or the fit, they want to hop on and go- one reason why cheap junker mamachari's and used dutch bikes in their respective countries do well. I think most LBSs are far too intimidating with lots of CF bling in the front and too much spandex. They like to emphasize their hardcore nature
    That's a big problem with the LBS. The bikes you see walking in all have $1000 plus price tags. I usually just suggest places like Dick's or Sports Authority. You get a better bike than WalMart but at a lower price than the bike shops.

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    It's funny how people assign random values to things without knowing anything about the manufacturing or the distribution network.

    Not just bikes, everything.

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    As I think some have already suggested, though perhaps not explicitly, the problem is one of marketing.

    Walmart has the clout to source, and sell at a profit, a decent, useful bike at the $200 price point.
    The problem is 2-fold, such a bike, steel, maybe CroMo main tubes, no suspension, good welding, not pretty, good, welding, good, if plain paint, rack and fender mounts, adequate gears and brakes, would not sell in the numbers Walmart would want to match their margins. The second thing is, they have no mechanics to properly set up and maintain them if they could sell the numbers.

    The great unwashed is looking for flashy paint and dual suspension, "full fenders? rack? I'm not riding that boneshaker!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalterMitty View Post

    Don't get me wrong, I too would like Porsche to produce a car at a Cobalt price point so I could enjoy German engineering at a Chevrolet price, but I digress.
    Actually, the Cobalt was a Daewoo, which was a Vauxhall/Opel, so... You are getting German engineering at at a Chevy price, the engine is domestic, but that isn't all that bad. It's way better than the Cavalier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidsky View Post
    Instead of asking or demanding that WalMart, Target, KMart et al sell good quality bikes maybe the LBSs could sell a sub $200 bike.
    Who is demanding that walmart sell good quality bikes? Or are you just pulling false situations out your butt so you concoct a solution to something thats not a problem?

    Mom wants a cheap bike for junior to ride to school, go to walmart and buy a cheap one. Baby boomer executive wants to blow 5 G's on a bike and start losing the beer belly, go to lbs and buy one. 2 different markets, 2 different sellers. Wheres the problem?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarery View Post
    ...concoct a solution to something thats not a problem?

    Mom wants a cheap bike for junior to ride to school, go to walmart and buy a cheap one. Baby boomer executive wants to blow 5 G's on a bike and start losing the beer belly, go to lbs and buy one. 2 different markets, 2 different sellers. Wheres the problem?
    If that was serious comment rather than tongue in cheek comment then the 'problem' is the lack of vision and perception contained in it. There's a helluva gap between Mum buying a bike for one of the kids and baby boomer or Yuppie executive blowing big cash on a commute.


    The biggest 'problem' I see when looking around me is in the area of the young (or old) couple who want to buy bikes so they can ride WITH the kids, or perhaps have leisurely outings together. Not all of them, of course. The ones who have limited resources, either because of income restraints or 'time of life' commitments. It shouldn't really surprise anyone to hear that there are lots and lots of couples like that who, with good intent, have purchased the 'x-mart' bikes only to end up NOT riding, because after a few trips the wheels are buckled, the gears don't change any more.

    They end up NOT riding mainly because that step up to a bike shop bike would oplain and simple break the bank. It shouldn't need to be like that!



    In our local 'KMart' equivalent of the big retailer a Kent or Northern Star imported cheap jobbie sells for (Australian dollars) about $130 to $150. The cheaper bike shop bikes start at about $350 to $400. That's a big jump. There's nothing on offer in the 'in-between'.



    But hey? 'Serious' or 'experienced' riders might well turn up the nose at those cheap, bouncy chain store bikes but the frames of the things would do perfectly well for the casual cyclist to pedal about on, and keep doing so for a long time. A bike built around that, but including 'acceptable' wheels and gear change, should be no problem at all to proiduce and sell at a price point between the figures mentioned above.


    Yep, it's hard to convince hard-up mum and dad to make the jump from $150 to $400. But the jump to $250 or thereabouts looks a helluva lot more attainable, and it seems to me that people 'serious' about bikes just aren't seeing the hole that's there to be filled

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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
    That's OK. The Department-Store-Bike-Bashers and/or LBS pimps/aficionados will keep up their sales pitch and keep chanting the mantra that cheap bikes are the product of Satan and not suitable for Real Bicyclists.
    No, you missed the point. Back in the day, when people bought a Yugo or an early Hyundai, they KNEW it had shortcomings. They went into the deal with that knowledge. It's not the same with bikes. I think if people really understand what they sacrifice by buying a bike at _____-Mart (fill in the blank), there probably would be a better used quality bike market. But, my contention is that folks think the _____-Mart bikes are OK...
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    Quote Originally Posted by flatlander_48 View Post
    No, you missed the point. Back in the day, when people bought a Yugo or an early Hyundai, they KNEW it had shortcomings. They went into the deal with that knowledge. It's not the same with bikes. I think if people really understand what they sacrifice by buying a bike at _____-Mart (fill in the blank), there probably would be a better used quality bike market. But, my contention is that folks think the _____-Mart bikes are OK...
    I got your point exactly. Your contention is that X-mart bikes are not OK for other people, because you don't find them OK for you and the other in-the-know Real Cyclists who understand quality bikes. Of course "quality bike" is to be defined by you, not those know nothings who shop for inexpensive bikes at Xmart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flatlander_48 View Post
    I think if people really understand what they sacrifice by buying a bike at _____-Mart (fill in the blank), there probably would be a better used quality bike market. But, my contention is that folks think the _____-Mart bikes are OK...
    Does anyone walk into those stores and not know the quality is reduced, just like the price when compared to competing products sold through higher priced venues?

    So the problem isn't the ___-mart stores, or the LBS's. Its the ignorance the buying public. Pretty much any person is capable of doing their own research on the internet now also, or getting their kids to do it. If $400 is a high price to spend for a young family, spend 5 min less playing on the internet and reinvest that time researching on the internet.

    At some point in time people have to start becoming responsible for their own actions, and that includes being responsible for not falling victim to shady marketing. Ignorance i accept as an excuse for something that happens spur of the moment, a high ticket item purchase doesn't fall into that category.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
    I got your point exactly. Your contention is that X-mart bikes are not OK for other people, because you don't find them OK for you and the other in-the-know Real Cyclists who understand quality bikes. Of course "quality bike" is to be defined by you, not those know nothings who shop for inexpensive bikes at Xmart.
    No, it's a question of expectations. Folks go around wondering why bike shops are so high priced. They don't understand WHY there is a price difference because they don't understand what the physical difference is. Quality is not defined by me. Stores make their own decisions as to dollar value vs quality level. Are you going to suggest that discount store bikes are made to the same quality level as low end name brand bikes?
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    Cateye CC-TR300TW V3
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    Wally and K-mapart bikes have their niche, and generally good for light duty usage. After my wife and children experienced riding my LBS hybrids that cost 250 US dollars more in initial cost with some slight modifications, they won't consider riding a low budget big box bicycle anymore. I happen to see a considerable number of big box store bicycles for sale in our area with statements say "low milage" or "only ridden a couple of times", and probably these people are selling these bicycles for better bicycles or just giving up altogether. I know that members of my family gave up on bicycling due to poor fit, uncomfortable seats, and excessive pedaling effort of the big box bikes that they purchased, only to be reinvigorated into bicycling again by riding on a better quality/fitting bicycle for just a few hundred dollars more. Even if you need a bicycle and have a very limited budget, I'd still buy the best bike your budget can afford.
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