Advertise on Bikeforums.net



User Tag List

Page 1 of 8 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 177
  1. #1
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    31
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Maybe bike shops should sell inexpensive bikes

    Instead of asking or demanding that WalMart, Target, KMart et al sell good quality bikes maybe the LBSs could sell a sub $200 bike. Trek, Giant etc could likely provide a lower cost bike to dealers and maybe the dealers could sell this bike at a reduced markup or even a loss hoping that the money will be made back in accessories, service, or upselling. It also would bring more customers to the local shop.
    It would also help if the shops had the current inexpensive bikes in stock.

  2. #2
    Senior Member wahoonc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    On the road-USA
    My Bikes
    Giant Excursion, Raleigh Sports, Raleigh R.S.W. Compact, Motobecane? and about 20 more! OMG
    Posts
    16,112
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonEclipse View Post
    (*gets popcorn*)

    CE


    Someone want to qualify "inexpensive bikes"?

    Aaron
    Webshots is bailing out, if you find any of my posts with corrupt picture files and want to see them corrected please let me know. :(

    ISO: A late 1980's Giant Iguana MTB frameset (or complete bike) 23" Red with yellow graphics.

    "Cycling should be a way of life, not a hobby.
    RIDE, YOU FOOL, RIDE!"
    _Nicodemus

    "Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
    Aluminum: barely a hundred
    Which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?"
    _krazygluon

  3. #3
    Bike Nerd Mr. Jim's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Mid- Michigan
    My Bikes
    mid 80's Fuji Supreme (commuter), LeRun unicycle thingy Raleigh Centrurion
    Posts
    575
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I consider Inexpensive $500, but couldn't get my mom to spend more than $250 on her new bike, she didn't think she needed an expensive bike. Entry level triathlon bikes are $2500. People at walmart consider the $56 sale bikes inexpensive and the $189 "high end" bikes to be expensive.

    Good luck on defining this, the major problem is most peoples perception of bikes is not the one shared by us on this board.
    Jim
    my bikes
    Bike Friday NWT (coming soon)
    1970s (or 80s) fuji touring with a Yakima Big Tow
    2008 Surly LHT with Axiom Racks and SKS Fenders (for sale)
    Mid 80's Cannondale Road Bike

  4. #4
    cat person GlassWolf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    N.W. Michigan
    My Bikes
    Nashbar Race SIS (1987), Kestrel Talon (2007), Trek Fuel EX 9.5 (2007)
    Posts
    509
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by wahoonc View Post


    Someone want to qualify "inexpensive bikes"?

    Aaron
    The OP clearly stated "sub-$200" bikes.
    GlassWolf
    Organ Donors Save Lives.

  5. #5
    cs1
    cs1 is offline
    Senior Member cs1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Location
    Clev Oh
    My Bikes
    Specialized, Schwinn
    Posts
    6,183
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by wahoonc View Post


    Someone want to qualify "inexpensive bikes"?

    Aaron
    The OP already did. For this exercise he specified sub $200.00 bikes.

    Tim
    1999 Waterford RSE-11, 1995 Waterford 1200, 1989 Specialized Rockhopper Comp
    1989 Raleigh Technium, 1989 Schwinn Traveler, 1986 Specialized Rockhopper
    1984 Specialized Stumpjumper, 1986 Specialized Stumpjumper and just way too many projects to list.

  6. #6
    Senior Member closetbiker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2003
    Location
    Vancouver, BC
    Posts
    9,596
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by davidsky View Post
    Instead of asking or demanding that WalMart, Target, KMart et al sell good quality bikes maybe the LBSs could sell a sub $200 bike. Trek, Giant etc could likely provide a lower cost bike to dealers and maybe the dealers could sell this bike at a reduced markup or even a loss hoping that the money will be made back in accessories, service, or upselling. It also would bring more customers to the local shop.
    It would also help if the shops had the current inexpensive bikes in stock.
    I find most shops do.

    They're the used, trade in bikes people have given up to buy the latest new model.

  7. #7
    Humvee of bikes =Worksman Nightshade's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Posts
    5,253
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    All LBS sell "inexpensive" bikes. The are called used or reconditioned bikes.
    My preferred bicycle brand is.......WORKSMAN CYCLES
    I dislike clipless pedals on any city bike since I feel they are unsafe.

    Originally Posted by krazygluon
    Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
    Aluminum: barely a hundred, which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?

  8. #8
    Still a Newbie Scarr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Toronto Canada
    My Bikes
    2007 Cannondale Bad Boy Ultra
    Posts
    38
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Hate to throw this bomb into the thread, but Wal-Mart and other superduper stores usually have sub $200 bikes. Sure, they're crap, but that's what you're going to get for that price, even if it comes from a dedicated bike store.

    Right now part of the problem with cycling adoption is that it's not yet "worth it" for most people. Even a lot of totally broke people I know have huge televisions or fancy cells and stuff. Cheaper bikes aren't going to lead to more adoption in my opinion. If people on a budget really want to bike, they do.

    The thing that would bring out more new cyclists at least in urban centers is reducing the risk AND the theft rate. Risk reduction can be done by advocating better bike lanes and traffic management, and of course cyclist education. The theft rate is a more tricky proposition; we need new technologies that make bike theft a risky and expensive enterprise. Like a lojack or something. Because as it stands bike theft is easy, low risk, and profitable.

    Anyway tl;dr Inexpensive bikes in my 'pinion are already on the market and don't serve to forward anyone's agenda (including bike store profits).

  9. #9
    Senior Member wahoonc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    On the road-USA
    My Bikes
    Giant Excursion, Raleigh Sports, Raleigh R.S.W. Compact, Motobecane? and about 20 more! OMG
    Posts
    16,112
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    There is a huge difference between "inexpensive" bikes and cheap bikes.

    IMHO there are many suitable inexpensive bikes on the market, but they are hard to find and are not sold at every retail outlet. KHS Green is one that comes to mind (but I have yet to see one or even find out how much they sell for.) Walmart was selling a 3 speed for $120, but it is NLA. It was inexpensive, and border line on cheap.

    Marketing plays a huge part in it. In America, in particular, it seems that appearances are everything. People want something that looks the part, whether it works or not. Walmart has made a huge fortune off of that very principle. Until people are willing to vote with their dollars and not just buy what is pushed on them it will continue.

    As far as an LBS selling them, first you have to get the customers in there to buy them. Then you have overhead to deal with. You can make a better profit selling 3 high end bikes vs 3 cheap bikes. Then there is the public perception of the LBS..."they only sell expensive stuff" (justifiable in many cases). We own a bridal shop. People are convinced that anything we sell is probably overpriced. They seem to think that only the best prices come from big box stores. In reality it doesn't work that way most of the time, but try to change that mindset.

    Aaron
    Last edited by wahoonc; 03-27-08 at 11:40 AM.
    Webshots is bailing out, if you find any of my posts with corrupt picture files and want to see them corrected please let me know. :(

    ISO: A late 1980's Giant Iguana MTB frameset (or complete bike) 23" Red with yellow graphics.

    "Cycling should be a way of life, not a hobby.
    RIDE, YOU FOOL, RIDE!"
    _Nicodemus

    "Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
    Aluminum: barely a hundred
    Which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?"
    _krazygluon

  10. #10
    Pat
    Pat is offline
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2002
    Location
    Orlando, FL
    My Bikes
    litespeed, cannondale
    Posts
    2,795
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Well, when I was getting my first car, a compact car cost $3,000 new and a Schwinn Varsity was around $90 new. Now a compact car cost 5 times as much. You can get an inexpensive Trek road bike for $550 and it is a potload better than the Varsity, which was durable and weighed a ton. Things cost more now and that is that.

  11. #11
    Senior Member maddyfish's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Ky. and FL.
    My Bikes
    KHS steel SS
    Posts
    3,945
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    My LBS has some basic, but sturdy bikes for $219. Maybe a Rocky Mt. set up as SS?
    Not too much to say here

  12. #12
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    3,192
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    You get what you pay for. Sure, there are lots of sub $200.00 bikes out there. But just how serious about biking are those who buy them? Not very. bk

  13. #13
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    31
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by closetbiker View Post
    I find most shops do.

    They're the used, trade in bikes people have given up to buy the latest new model.
    Used bikes are good, but some people have apprehension about anything used. They'll assume that a $200 new Huffy/Magna/Pacific is better than a $200 used Giant/Trek/Specialized

  14. #14
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    31
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Scarr View Post
    The thing that would bring out more new cyclists at least in urban centers is reducing the risk AND the theft rate. Risk reduction can be done by advocating better bike lanes and traffic management, and of course cyclist education.
    True on all that. A simple thing they could do in my town is to just pave the roads all the width. They had bike lanes (wide shoulders) at one time but were too cheap to go all the way with subsequent pavings.

  15. #15
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    31
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by bkaapcke View Post
    You get what you pay for. Sure, there are lots of sub $200.00 bikes out there. But just how serious about biking are those who buy them? Not very. bk
    I'm not sure you need to be "serious". I'm not sure I want to be involved with "serious" cyclers.

  16. #16
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    31
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Scarr View Post
    Hate to throw this bomb into the thread, but Wal-Mart and other superduper stores usually have sub $200 bikes. Sure, they're crap, but that's what you're going to get for that price, even if it comes from a dedicated bike store.
    I think you'd get a better bike. No dual suspension "mountain" bikes. Plus you'd get better assembly.

  17. #17
    flying on 2 wheels conurejade's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Palm Beach County, FL
    My Bikes
    2007 Trek 7100 - modified. 2008 Orbea Onix Dama - Campy Centaur
    Posts
    259
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by davidsky View Post
    Plus you'd get better assembly.
    I know some guys who worked for Wally-world before the holidays; they were hired strictly for the pre-Christmas bike assembly rush. The instructions for assembly (or lack thereof) were scary even to me and I know squat about bicycle mechanics. Assemblers were paid on a per bike basis - nothing was tested, parts were unpacked and 'slapped together'. Let's just say...I wouldn't want to get on one of those bikes to ride.

  18. #18
    The Red Lantern Rev.Chuck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    Raleigh NC
    Posts
    5,967
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by davidsky View Post
    I'm not sure you need to be "serious". I'm not sure I want to be involved with "serious" cyclers.
    There are all kinds of serious cyclists. This guy for example:



    Not all serious cyclists race road bikes.
    Are you a registered member? Why not? click here to register. Its free, and only takes 27 seconds!
    Help out the forums, abide by our community guidelines.

    I am in the woods and I have gone crazy.

  19. #19
    cab horn
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Toronto
    My Bikes
    1987 Bianchi Campione
    Posts
    28,292
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    That guy looks awesome just standing there
    Mes compaingnons cui j'amoie et cui j'aim,... Me di, chanson.

  20. #20
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    3,192
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    One reason they don't is that cheap bikes have lots of problems and would need a lot of warranty work. How much warranty work should they be willing to do on a very low margin product. Not much. bk

  21. #21
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    31
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by conurejade View Post
    I know some guys who worked for Wally-world before the holidays; they were hired strictly for the pre-Christmas bike assembly rush. The instructions for assembly (or lack thereof) were scary even to me and I know squat about bicycle mechanics. Assemblers were paid on a per bike basis - nothing was tested, parts were unpacked and 'slapped together'. Let's just say...I wouldn't want to get on one of those bikes to ride.
    I promise I did a good job when I built cheap bikes.

  22. #22
    flying on 2 wheels conurejade's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Palm Beach County, FL
    My Bikes
    2007 Trek 7100 - modified. 2008 Orbea Onix Dama - Campy Centaur
    Posts
    259
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by davidsky View Post
    I promise I did a good job when I built cheap bikes.

    I'm glad to hear it. So did the guys I know... but they were few among many.

  23. #23
    Senior Member DieselDan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Location
    Beaufort, South Carolina, USA and surrounding islands.
    My Bikes
    Cannondale R500, Motobecane Messenger
    Posts
    8,524
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Would you pay $49.99 to tune up a $199.99 bike after a year? I'd rather not put my shop's decal on a crap bike. Heck, I wouldn't even put operator's shop decal on a crap bike.
    Bikes use brakes to stop.

    If your bike has breaks, don't ride it.

  24. #24
    Generic Title ProFail's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    North Carolina
    My Bikes
    2008 Trek Fuel EX7, 2007 Trek 1600, 2007 Eastern Warthog
    Posts
    1,927
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Rev.Chuck View Post
    There are all kinds of serious cyclists. This guy for example:

    [IMG]http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q130/RightRevChuck/bikes/customer%20bikes/misc111206014.jpg[IMG]

    Not all serious cyclists race road bikes.
    Ha! I looked at that picture. Then it dawned upon me that the guy was standing in front of Bikeways, Raleigh.


    3rd "eccentric" cyclist in my/our area.
    Generic Joke

  25. #25
    Immoderator KrisPistofferson's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    POS Tennessee
    My Bikes
    Gary Fisher Simple City 8, Litespeed Obed
    Posts
    7,596
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Giant Sedonas and Cypresses, for example, are plenty good and inexpensive, it's just that Walmart has successfully changed public perception to believe that $100 is a reasonable price to pay for 24+ gears and dual suspension. This way lies madness.

Page 1 of 8 123 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •