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Old 04-05-08, 12:40 AM   #1
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Trying to get back in the saddle, after years of absence. Need some help

Well I finally got around to rebuilding my 93 Trek 830 last weekend, I haven't been in the saddle in years. My saddle well quit old, it has very low miles and in excellent shape, Vetta AT Transverse.

My problem is I'm getting very sore very quick, I have followed Bicycletutor's video, and looked at several other seat setup instructions. After just a few minutes on the saddle my sit bones are getting extremely sore. Should I try another saddle or just push on and see if the pain goes away? I've gone about 20 miles since getting the bike running.

I don't have any cycling specific shorts, as I have very sensitive skin and find a lot of synthetic materials irritate my skin (itching, rashes etc..) so I'm not to sure how well a pair of cycling shorts would work. If anyone knows of some cheap but decent shorts I could try that would be great, I would prefer something baggier as I'm 185 right now...

The other problem I'm having is I have no stamina what so ever, right now I been trying to push my mountain bike down paved paths with 2.0 smoke/dart tires so I'm sure that doesn't help any. I get about 2 miles and feel like I'm going to die lol. In my off time I been trying to stay remotely active, going on daily walks.

Diet wise, I consume little to no fat, I drink at least a gallon of water a day, I try to consume mostly complex carbs (pasta, plain bagels etc..) no soda, no junk food and try to avoid excess sugar, but I still consume it in small quantities.

I really don't have the money to swap out a bunch of stuff at once, I'm just not sure where to start improving. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
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You have a nice bike and perhaps your seating needs have changed a little since you last saddled up.

Being a little sore is normal but that should not persist if your saddle is adequate and you are properly fitted to your bike.

Take your time with this so that you can improve your conditioning as a long lay off puts you right back in the category of new riders and short trips are the order of the day.
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Just keep working with it, is my opinions. If the soreness is limited to the sit bones, it's probably set up about right. A different one might work better for you, but I would say to stay with what you've got at least for now. You'll know more about what you want later. I seem to recall similar saddle problems when I first got back to riding.

Stamina will come back fairly quickly. Don't overdo it to the point of real pain. Give yourself a rest day, from time to time, but don't quit. Some of the best rides happen when you head out in spite of just not feeling like it.
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One thing to consider, you set up your seat for comfort... before you deal with reach to the bars. Back in the day you may have had the same saddle height and reach, and you may get that back again. But look to your handlebar height as well as seat height and position.

You may need to move your saddle back on the rails to achieve a better weight distribution on the seat... once you have that, you can mess about with handlebar setting to balance yourself, even if it means getting a higher stem or riser bars, the first thing is getting your seat right.. But the other points are still good... what is hurting you now may just go away as you get used to riding again.
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You may need to move your saddle back on the rails to achieve a better weight distribution on the seat... .
Interestingly enough I had the saddle all the way back on the rails, and was getting terrible knee pain. Then I started reading about saddle position and now I have pushed more forward so my knee lines up over the spindle of the pedal. I also adjusted the pitch and find dead neutral to be the most comfortable, I tried to tilt it up a little bit and that put pressure in the wrong area.

One of the main problems I'm having I just can't really find a comfortable spot on the saddle. It feels like I may be sitting to far forward on the saddle, but if I reach back my butt is all the way back on the saddle.

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You have a nice bike and perhaps your seating needs have changed a little since you last saddled up.
Thank's it's starting to take shape finally, I still want to get a better crank and BB...I've put about 2,000 miles on this stock one and the BB is slipping occasionally.

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Lots' of good advice here. Just take your time,go slowly, and most
important just......enjoy!
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@op: a couple of things to consider, try small adjustment with the saddle if it feels like you are sitting to far forward then move it back just smidgen. With bike shorts you need the cream! You may also want to try riding with some jogging shorts, on long tours I like to alternate between padded bike shorts and jogging shorts.
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@op: a couple of things to consider, try small adjustment with the saddle if it feels like you are sitting to far forward then move it back just smidgen. With bike shorts you need the cream! You may also want to try riding with some jogging shorts, on long tours I like to alternate between padded bike shorts and jogging shorts.
Thanks for the suggestions, I'll look into some jogging shorts and see how that does.
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Interestingly enough I had the saddle all the way back on the rails, and was getting terrible knee pain. Then I started reading about saddle position and now I have pushed more forward so my knee lines up over the spindle of the pedal. I also adjusted the pitch and find dead neutral to be the most comfortable, I tried to tilt it up a little bit and that put pressure in the wrong area.

One of the main problems I'm having I just can't really find a comfortable spot on the saddle. It feels like I may be sitting to far forward on the saddle, but if I reach back my butt is all the way back on the saddle.



Thank's it's starting to take shape finally, I still want to get a better crank and BB...I've put about 2,000 miles on this stock one and the BB is slipping occasionally.

At the same time, when you move the saddle forward, you are also in effect adjusting the saddle height...you are moving closer the the pedals, and you need to raise the saddle height just a fraction, a little bit at a time. Move the saddle back, and you are in effect raising the saddle... you are moving it away from the pedals, so you may then need to lower it.

On top of that you then have to play about the angle, and the reach... it is a pain in the arse really!
One of my best upgrades was an inline seat post, which allowed for micro adjustment of the angle, they have two clamp screws, to adjust you loosen one, and tighten the other. They will also allow you to have your saddle a few cm's 'more' forward than a convention seat post, which may bring the wide end towards your sit bone.

I may have this wrong... but going back will give you power, going forward will help with cadence?

EDIT: I love your bike! But okay, now I see it you saddle will not move forward by much... an inline may just help.

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"...I been trying to push my mountain bike down paved paths with 2.0 smoke/dart tires so I'm sure that doesn't help any..."

Those are KILLERS on pavement! When I got my bike, it had Smoke's on both!
Get some street tires pronto before you quit out of frustration!
I've found 26x1.5" Serfas drifters work pretty well for me @ $20 ea. at the LBS.
IF $ are a consideration, I initially got some Bell "Bike Path" tires for $8 at my local Kroger equivalent store. They were a 26x1.75". They weren't too bad, especially for the $.
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I may have this wrong... but going back will give you power, going forward will help with cadence?

EDIT: I love your bike! But okay, now I see it you saddle will not move forward by much... an inline may just help.
Thank you for the comment & helpful info, I totally agree that it's a pain in the arse to get the seat adjusted right. Every time I moved it forward and backward I also made sure to lower and raise the saddle accordingly so that I would have just a slight bend in my leg. I think ultimately I just need a new post, this one has 2 set screws (both in the back) and it's just a nightmare trying to get it adjusted. I tried to get a better pic of the rails and adjustment.




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"...I been trying to push my mountain bike down paved paths with 2.0 smoke/dart tires so I'm sure that doesn't help any..."

Those are KILLERS on pavement! When I got my bike, it had Smoke's on both!
Get some street tires pronto before you quit out of frustration!
I've found 26x1.5" Serfas drifters work pretty well for me @ $20 ea. at the LBS.
IF $ are a consideration, I initially got some Bell "Bike Path" tires for $8 at my local Kroger equivalent store. They were a 26x1.75". They weren't too bad, especially for the $.
There is also the fact that I can only get 40 PSI in the tires as well, but thats what I get for trying to save $$ and buying a pump at the local mega mart lol.

The main reason I haven't changed out the tires is because I would like to hit some unpaved trails, but I will probably be riding the paved trail by my house more then I will be off roading, so I guess I need to decide what I want more and get the right tires, but at least I get a good work out with these tires
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Modern saddles can be VERY nice. I'm riding a new modern saddle that is more comfortable than my old broken in Brooks by far. It's actually comfortable. Just as sensitive to adjustment, but comfortable.

Might consider getting some position coaching.
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" The main reason I haven't changed out the tires is because I would like to hit some unpaved trails,"

How unpaved? If hard packed dirt, minimal tread will suffice.
This is what I use-
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Modern saddles can be VERY nice. I'm riding a new modern saddle that is more comfortable than my old broken in Brooks by far. It's actually comfortable. Just as sensitive to adjustment, but comfortable.

Might consider getting some position coaching.
What kind of saddle did you buy? I been looking but I'm not to sure what to buy I'm currently around 184 pounds, my sit bones still hurt and I haven't rode in two days (rain ) I was able to measure my sit bones since they are so sore lol, there about 50 mm apart.

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This is what I use-
Well I found some videos of the local mountain bike trail here, I don't think I will even attempt that right now, I'm not in the shape and some of it looks pretty gnarly for a rigid. The other park I may ride is a mix really, hard pack, gravel and if it's not rained there will probably be a lot of soft sand. That's just my guesstimate from a few walks there, and trying to navigate the long unpaved entrance to the park in my car.
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Not to sound like a wise guy, but with the stamina problems you describe you may want to have a physical and get clearance from your doctor before you do any strenuous riding/exercise.
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Not to sound like a wise guy, but with the stamina problems you describe you may want to have a physical and get clearance from your doctor before you do any strenuous riding/exercise.
Yea I've been to the doctor already a few times over the last year, mainly for stomach issues, and I've mentioned fatigue, and feeling run down. They ran all kinds of blood work and sent me to a gastro, and I'm in tip top shape supposedly. No diabetes, no high blood pressure, my cholesterol is spot on.

A lot of what I'm going through I believe is just stress, I been out of work since relocating up here. I'm returning to biking, as in the past I've found that to be my only real escape, and I can do with the exercise as well.
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When I first read your post I thought you were about 60 years old.
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I don't have any cycling specific shorts, as I have very sensitive skin and find a lot of synthetic materials irritate my skin (itching, rashes etc..) so I'm not to sure how well a pair of cycling shorts would work.
Buy some respectable padded cycling shorts (~$40-$50 should be good). If necessary apply chamois butter or similar to the chamois to help your sensitive skin. The padding will help with the butt pain.
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When I first read your post I thought you were about 60 years old.
ROFLMAO, I feel it some days but seriously I just turned 32 so I'm still pretty young...
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I don't want to be a wise guy either, but this is my train of thinking:

out of shape -> legs get tired -> sit too hard on the saddle -> butt pain

I'd be patient, take manageable rides of slowly increasing length, and see if it goes away before I buy anything new.
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I don't want to be a wise guy either, but this is my train of thinking:

out of shape -> legs get tired -> sit too hard on the saddle -> butt pain

I'd be patient, take manageable rides of slowly increasing length, and see if it goes away before I buy anything new.
I wasn't even thinking that, your right though. My legs get fatigued and quick, I'd say after about 3 miles there done, I couldn't stand on the pedals if my life depended on it, I almost went over the bars when I tried.
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