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    smoking and biking?

    well i'm not a cigarette smoker nor do i ever plan to be. however the other day i saw a dude smoking a cigarette and biking, he was going pretty fast. well i thought this is kinda counterproductive. but then i got to thinking i knew a guy who smokes cigarettes and long boards really fast he also went to state for highschool cross country running and he was an avid chain smoker among other things. the same guy also played tuba.

    do cigarettes really effect your performance or does the constant use of your lungs keep the resperitory system going strong?

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    Yes, it really effects you. But, there are mutants among us who it doesn't seem to effect as much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crtreedude View Post
    Yes, it really effects you. But, there are mutants among us who it doesn't seem to effect as much.
    I used to run with a pack of smokes in my sock so I could have a smoke as soon as I got done with the physical fitness test. When you are young you are strong enough to compensate, but it still has a negative effect on run time and performance. I cant imagine smoking not haveing some effect.

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    The truth is the nicotine will give you a boost if I recall - but then you get the problems from the tar from continual exposure.

    So, to see someone young puffing and not being effected is not that odd - but with time, it is going to really hurt you.

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    You can ride and smoke, but you won't go as fast or as far. It is hard to isolate, though. Smokers may well have other lifestyle issues that hold them back.
    Some people are like a Slinky ... not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you shove them down the stairs.

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    If you ride a Dutch-style bike, dress nicely, and smoke a cigarette in one of those long holders, you could probably get away with the look.

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    It's really hard to quit smoking once you are addicted. So while everyone agrees that smoking is bad, at least exercising is a step in the right direction & it's better than smoking and getting no exercise at all.

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    Full disclosure: I don't get smoking at all. I've thought it was stupid and distasteful since my mother explained what she was doing when I was four or five years old...
    Having said that, though, you see people smoking while they ride around here (Reno) all the time. It's a tourist town, with a lot of low-paying jobs in the casinos, and plenty of people ride junkers for transportation. I see smokers every day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gundersr View Post
    I'm a pack a day smoker and I log about 250 miles a week. Is smoking bad for you? Yes. Absolutely. The biggest downside is that it appears to lower lung capacity. However there are plenty of smokers out there who are active. Staying active will appear to offset the negatives of smoking in the sense that you can keep up with the rest of the nonsmokers. So can you be a good cyclist/athlete as a smoker? Yes. But you wont be as good as you can be with out the cigarettes. That said, I always enjoy a good cigarette with a beer after a hard ride.
    I really did run and smoke for years in the Marine Corps. My best 3 mile time was 19:30 for the PFT. That was when I did not have a smoke for 24 hours. Usually I would smoke walking up to the testing area and I could not get under 20:30. I quit 15 years ago, terrible addiction. I swithched to crack for a couple weeks just to work through the withdrawl from cigarettes. Smoking is bad and expensive, wheter it hurts your performance or not right now, I see everyday in the hospital the long term effects. dont do it.

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    Cigarettes will kill you in time where a pipe will not. Pipe smoking
    doesn't entail any inhaling to enjoy the flavor of the tobacco.
    Pipe tobacco is REAL tobacco and is much to strong to inhale.

    Do I puff when I ride? Once in awhile but not often.
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    Originally Posted by krazygluon
    Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
    Aluminum: barely a hundred, which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lebowski View Post
    well i'm not a cigarette smoker nor do i ever plan to be. however the other day i saw a dude smoking a cigarette and biking, he was going pretty fast. well i thought this is kinda counterproductive. but then i got to thinking i knew a guy who smokes cigarettes and long boards really fast he also went to state for highschool cross country running and he was an avid chain smoker among other things. the same guy also played tuba.

    do cigarettes really effect your performance or does the constant use of your lungs keep the resperitory system going strong?
    I did this in my 20s. My only objection was that the wind made the cigarette burn out faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tightwad View Post
    Cigarettes will kill you in time where a pipe will not. Pipe smoking
    doesn't entail any inhaling to enjoy the flavor of the tobacco.
    Pipe tobacco is REAL tobacco and is much to strong to inhale.

    Do I puff when I ride? Once in awhile but not often.
    Just be aware that you still have a risk for mouth/lip cancer.
    Everyone is a Fred in their own special way

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    Quote Originally Posted by crtreedude View Post
    Yes, it really effects you. But, there are mutants among us who it doesn't seem to effect as much.
    Some of us are just so athletically superior that we have to f up our bodies to level the playing field.

    To the OP - don't smoke kid, it's a dirty, expensive, unhealthy habit.
    "Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey

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    Just chew nicotine gum, all the benefits none of the respiratory drawbacks.






    Joking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabloink View Post
    Just be aware that you still have a risk for mouth/lip cancer.
    This topic is just riddled with lies and mis-information about risks, hazards and product info.

    A little known fact, that the tobacco companies work very hard to supress, is that cigarettes
    have no real tobacco in them. NONE. The brown stuff in a cigarette is a chemical paper slurry
    that has tobacco dust and stems ,that are unfit for any other use, along with a toxic chemical
    package that is known to cause all sorts of health issues as well as the addiction cigarette
    smokers have that a pipe smoker does not. Cigarette smokers & pipe smokers see & use
    "tobacco" in a very different light. Very different.

    Pipes and quality cigars (not the junk cigars found in grocery stores & gas stations) are
    real all pure tobacco with food flavor additives for pipe tobacco's. Since pipe smokers
    don't inhale (the smart ones) the risk of lung , and certain other cancers, is minimal
    including lip & mouth cancers.

    One must remember that our polluted environment today kills more people than anything else.

    This is the truth that the public needs to consider when it comes to tobacco use of any kind.
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    Originally Posted by krazygluon
    Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
    Aluminum: barely a hundred, which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?

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    An active smoker is more fit than a sedentary non-smoker.

    I moved a couch up two flights of stairs with an overweight non-smoker one time. I thought he was going to have a coronary on me.

    Sure smoking is bad. Being overweight is equally bad, and the number of deaths due to obesity are rapidly closing in on the number of deaths attributed to smoking.

    This probably applies least to the type of people that tend to frequent this forum, but consider this:
    By their choice of unhealthy lifestyle, someone who is overweight doesn't care about themselves, nor the feelings of their loved ones, any more than a smoker.
    By their choice of lifestyle, someone who drives a motor vehicle as their primary mode of transportation doesn't care about air pollution (second hand smoke) any more than a smoker.

    When these people take an anti-smoking stance they choose to make themselves out to be sanctimonious hypocrites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tightwad View Post
    This topic is just riddled with lies and mis-information about risks, hazards and product info.
    Pipes and quality cigars (not the junk cigars found in grocery stores & gas stations) are
    real all pure tobacco with food flavor additives for pipe tobacco's. Since pipe smokers
    don't inhale (the smart ones) the risk of lung , and certain other cancers, is minimal
    including lip & mouth cancers.
    Your right that pipe smoking is safer than heavy cigarette smoking, but its still more dangerous than not smoking.

    From the International Journal of Epidemiology


    Results There were 1133 major CHD events and 440 stroke events, 919 new cancers and 1994 deaths from all causes in the 7121 men with no diagnosed CHD, stroke, diabetes, or cancer at screening. Compared with never smokers, pipe/cigar smokers (primary and secondary combined) showed significantly higher risk of major CHD events (relative risk [RR] = 1.69, 95% CI: 1.32, 2.14) and stroke events (RR = 1.62, 95% CI: 1.08, 2.41) and of cardiovascular, non-cardiovascular, and total mortality (RR = 1.49, 95% CI: 1.13, 1.96, RR = 1.40, 95% CI: 1.08, 1.83 and RR = 1.44, 95% CI: 1.19, 1.74, respectively), after adjustment for lifestyle and biological characteristics. They also showed a significantly higher incidence of smoking-related cancers (RR = 2.67, 95% CI: 1.70, 4.26), largely due to lung cancer (RR = 4.35, 95% CI: 2.05, 8.94). Overall, the effects in pipe/cigar smokers were intermediate between never-smokers and light cigarette smokers, although risks for lung cancer were similar to light cigarette smokers.

    Conclusion Pipe and cigar smoking, whether primary or secondary, carries significant risk of smoking-related ill health.
    Everyone is a Fred in their own special way

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabloink View Post
    Your right that pipe smoking is safer than heavy cigarette smoking, but its still more dangerous than not smoking.

    From the International Journal of Epidemiology


    Results There were 1133 major CHD events and 440 stroke events, 919 new cancers and 1994 deaths from all causes in the 7121 men with no diagnosed CHD, stroke, diabetes, or cancer at screening. Compared with never smokers, pipe/cigar smokers (primary and secondary combined) showed significantly higher risk of major CHD events (relative risk [RR] = 1.69, 95% CI: 1.32, 2.14) and stroke events (RR = 1.62, 95% CI: 1.08, 2.41) and of cardiovascular, non-cardiovascular, and total mortality (RR = 1.49, 95% CI: 1.13, 1.96, RR = 1.40, 95% CI: 1.08, 1.83 and RR = 1.44, 95% CI: 1.19, 1.74, respectively), after adjustment for lifestyle and biological characteristics. They also showed a significantly higher incidence of smoking-related cancers (RR = 2.67, 95% CI: 1.70, 4.26), largely due to lung cancer (RR = 4.35, 95% CI: 2.05, 8.94). Overall, the effects in pipe/cigar smokers were intermediate between never-smokers and light cigarette smokers, although risks for lung cancer were similar to light cigarette smokers.

    Conclusion Pipe and cigar smoking, whether primary or secondary, carries significant risk of smoking-related ill health.
    There has never been any in depth study of pipe smoking due to the ultra low risk factor.
    That said, the surgeon generals study found that pipe smokers alone often outlived non-smokers
    due to the simple stess relief that pipe smoking affords.

    You are in more danger just breathing the air in most cities.

    It's all about risk managment............
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    Originally Posted by krazygluon
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    Quote Originally Posted by chipcom View Post
    Some of us are just so athletically superior that we have to f up our bodies to level the playing field.

    To the OP - don't smoke kid, it's a dirty, expensive, unhealthy habit.
    i have no intention of ever smoking cigarettes. but i suppose if one does end up addicted to cigarettes i suppose its better to be active and hack up that lung cheese instead of sitting around all day.

    there was a month this winter where it was below zero and i was pretty much sedentary. it got to be in the low 30's so i decided to take an 8 mile walk since it was "nice out". after the walk it seemed like my lung capacity doubled and i felt amazing and had a natural high for the next few days. it was so much easier to breathe. so smoker or not, when it comes to lung capacity, if you don't use it you lose it

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommuterRun View Post
    An active smoker is more fit than a sedentary non-smoker.

    I moved a couch up two flights of stairs with an overweight non-smoker one time. I thought he was going to have a coronary on me.

    Sure smoking is bad. Being overweight is equally bad, and the number of deaths due to obesity are rapidly closing in on the number of deaths attributed to smoking.

    This probably applies least to the type of people that tend to frequent this forum, but consider this:
    By their choice of unhealthy lifestyle, someone who is overweight doesn't care about themselves, nor the feelings of their loved ones, any more than a smoker.
    By their choice of lifestyle, someone who drives a motor vehicle as their primary mode of transportation doesn't care about air pollution (second hand smoke) any more than a smoker.


    When these people take an anti-smoking stance they choose to make themselves out to be sanctimonious hypocrites.
    Thank you! I quit smoking (a pipe) 15 years ago because I got bored with it and tired of carrying all the pipe "stuff" around. After a while, the enjoyment didn't compensate for the hassle. Even though I am now a non-smoker, I am just over hearing some overweight, inactive scolds nag and nag smokers for "polluting" "their" air. Their fat will cripple them faster and increases health costs, averse social consequences, and the cost of living for all of us. In my opinion, fat is way worse for us than the self-inflicted torture of tobacco use.

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    American Cancer Society:
    Smoking cigars causes cancers of the lung, oral cavity (lip, tongue, mouth, throat), larynx (voice box), esophagus (swallowing tube), and probably cancers of the bladder and pancreas. Cigar smokers have a greater risk of dying from cancer of the mouth, larynx, or esophagus than non-smokers. The risk of death from lung cancer is not as high as it is for cigarette smokers, but is still many times higher than the risk for non-smokers.

    Cigar smokers who inhale deeply and smoke several cigars a day are also at increased risk for heart disease and chronic lung disease.

    Pipe smokers have an increased risk of dying from cancers of the lung, throat, esophagus, larynx, pancreas, and colon and rectum. They also have an increased risk of dying of heart disease, stroke, and chronic lung disease. The level of these risks seems to be about the same as that for cigar smokers.

    Smoking cigars or pipes is not a safe alternative to smoking cigarettes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommuterRun View Post
    An active smoker is more fit than a sedentary non-smoker.

    ...


    When these people take an anti-smoking stance they choose to make themselves out to be sanctimonious hypocrites.
    True that. And from where I sit those people who preach the anti-smoking stance and who aren't overweight, sedentary people come across as sanctimonious ***holes!


    In today's world there are very, very few smokers who don't already know that their habit hurts them. Much love to the folk out there who've never tried or taken up the habit. Not doing it makes it a helluva lot easier to avoid. Most of the folk you find nowadays who smoke do so primarily because they're people who have difficulty stopping! Some of them will never get a handle on that challenge.


    Respect those people who have overcome their addiction(s). That's a worthwhile thing to do. Denigrating those who haven't been able to overcome their addiction doesn't do jack! It's a useless thing to do

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