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Old 04-18-08, 03:18 AM   #1
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...but why can't you just go to wallymart?

Non-cyclists, eh? They just don't get it

http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co....10178930#views
HOW MUCH? - POLICE IN BIKE ROW
09:00 - 18 April 2008

Police are under fire for asking for 2,700 to cover the cost of two mountain bikes.

Brockworth councillors say they can't understand why Gloucestershire police won't get cheaper ones.

Mike Collins, a Tewkesbury borough councillor for the area, said he and other councillors had raised 500 towards the bicycles.

He said they had been happy to help buy the bikes for three police community support officers to get around the Brockworth, Witcombe, Shurdington and Badgeworth areas.

PCSOs have to raise the money for bikes themselves.

They wanted them so they wouldn't have to get around by bus.

But Coun Collins (Lib Dem, Brockworth) was shocked to learn that the amount needed was 2,700 because the bikes had to come from a German firm, the PCSOs had to have safety equipment and had to go on a training course.

He said: "We said why not just go to Halfords and get some cheaper ones? [wallymart for you non-poms]

"But they said they were not allowed to do that.

"It's strange when you're trying to do something for your community and you're prevented from doing it by red tape."

Jim Hunt, chairman of Brockworth Parish Council, said: "If it's just a bicycle to get from A to B, then surely they could have got a cheaper one."

Gloucestershire Police said each bike cost about 700. The type used had been chosen after trials were carried out.

Spokeswoman Alexa Collicott said 700 was not much for a quality bike and the Gloucestershire force did not spend money lightly.

She said: "We do invest in high performance push-bikes for areas of the county, where it's deemed necessary, to make policing more effective.

"The bikes have specialist kit on them and as they are used every day they must therefore be robust and able to cross rough and varied terrains.

"We will continue to make good use of these bikes as they are particularly effective when targeting issues such as anti-social behaviour."

She added that of the 40 police bikes in the county, only 13 had been paid for by the constabulary. The rest had been externally funded.

There are 163 PCSOs in the county. Of the 13 bikes paid for by the force, they are used by both full-time officers and PCSOs.
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They wanted them so they wouldn't have to get around by bus.
If I found out that the officers in my town where going to respond to my emergencies on a city bus I would buy a gun for every room in the house until I could move out of the state that would allow this to happen. And like the police in the story I wouldn't buy my guns at Walmart (or similar store)
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The cops have a choice of going round on a bus or on a cycle? And only 27 of the 40 bikes were NOT funded by the police themselves?

Now then, where are those crime figures and more importantly, haven't 'management' (read: government) figured out why crime is so problematic?
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God man times must be tough over there if the cops are riding the bus.

I can hear it now

Dispatch "Officer 22, respond to a 917 in progress"

Officer 22 "10-4 en route must make the 27 bus and then switch to the 44, ETA 1 hour 41 minutes"
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Decent bikes are "expensive" in a way, but compared to salaries, they are pretty cheap.
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Police cars are pretty expensive ones too. Why don't they go to Joe the Used Car Salesman and get a decent 1980 Pontiac or sumthin. That should get 'em from A to B.

The wallyworld bikes would be useless for policing. Forget sneaking up on criminals - even if we don't get into the issue of silent coasting cassettes, all the walmart bike squeaks would announce a bike cop arrival to the whole block!
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Police cars are pretty expensive ones too. Why don't they go to Joe the Used Car Salesman and get a decent 1980 Pontiac or sumthin. That should get 'em from A to B.

The wallyworld bikes would be useless for policing. Forget sneaking up on criminals - even if we don't get into the issue of silent coasting cassettes, all the walmart bike squeaks would announce a bike cop arrival to the whole block!
If he even makes it there

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If I found out that the officers in my town where going to respond to my emergencies on a city bus I would buy a gun for every room in the house until I could move out of the state that would allow this to happen. And like the police in the story I wouldn't buy my guns at Walmart (or similar store)
Except of course that they are not police officers, they are police community support officers.

Not quite the same thing I think you'll agree.
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Police cars are pretty expensive ones too. Why don't they go to Joe the Used Car Salesman and get a decent 1980 Pontiac or sumthin. That should get 'em from A to B.

The wallyworld bikes would be useless for policing. Forget sneaking up on criminals - even if we don't get into the issue of silent coasting cassettes, all the walmart bike squeaks would announce a bike cop arrival to the whole block!
Can you buy a used Pontiac in the UK?
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That *is* a lot of money; I would be asking questions here if someone proposed buying two police bikes for $5,400. Particularly given that Trek police bikes retail in the US for just under $1,000.
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That *is* a lot of money; I would be asking questions here if someone proposed buying two police bikes for $5,400. Particularly given that Trek police bikes retail in the US for just under $1,000.
I suspect that the price also includes more than just the bike. Things like riding apparel, rain gear... Still pricey but also remember that things cost more in the UK than similarly priced items in the USA. (I know I have a kid living over there)

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There was a police bike thread a good while ago.
There was a cop who proclaimed me an idiot for suggesting that the police here should ride something more appropriate to their work than the Smith & Wesson branded crap bikes that they have now (which to their admission, every single component had to be replaced within the first year).
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This just in, Police Force outfits motorized officers with Ford Festivas in an effort to save money.
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Well they've closed the comments so I can only imagine at the ones that didn't get onto the site. Here's one of the only sensible comments posted.

London police have full XT level, hardtail, disc brake mtbs with all the usual extras (rack, bag, lights, on bike locks - the brack boss mounted ones, etc.). Some even get custom built (custom for that police borough - not the individual) condor cycles steel hardtails.

AllenG - agreed the S&W bikes are POS and unlikely to last longer than a year.

JanMM - yes

Allhedges - check the UK cost of XT level hardtails, with all the accessories, and also the added training expense. It adds up rapidly and even then I agree with the guy below - they're going for bargain basement bikes and still trying to save money where they can.

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As a police officer in a distant force who is trying to get his own constabulary to pay for decent equipment and training for bike mounted officers I would say that 2700 for two bikes, equipment and training for two officers is pretty good.

750 will get a Speacialised Hardrock, marked up with rack, paniers, lights and locks. You then need specific cycle clothing (Most officers will do 15 to 30 miles per day on thier bikes), this will cost in the region of 100 to 200 pounds.

Thier is then the training needed, probably through the international police mountain bike association which will cost about 250 for a 3 day course. For those interested try
www.kitinfo.co.uk
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Stop complaining it's either officers in cars or on bikes. 1350 per officer is good value.

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