Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

General Cycling Discussion Have a cycling related question or comment that doesn't fit in one of the other specialty forums? Drop on in and post in here! When possible, please select the forum above that most fits your post!

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 04-23-08, 11:10 PM   #1
ghst99
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Scene-attle
Bikes: 97 Cannondale R500, ?? Guerciotti Fixed gear, ?? Raleigh record, 96 Iro Mark V
Posts: 13
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
My work outlaws bikes..

So today my boss(es) tell us that the property manager of our building will not allow us to lock our bikes in front of our workplace anymore. They said that they have taken a description of all of our bikes and will cut the locks and take the bikes if they see them locked out front. It is private property (owned by Paul Allen), so I'm not sure if we can fight this. There are no signs at the bike racks that say anything about not being allowed to lock our bikes there. There are about 150 employees and about 20 of us ride bikes. Anyone have any advice on how we can fight this, or are we screwed?
ghst99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-23-08, 11:30 PM   #2
Velo Dog
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Northern Nevada
Bikes:
Posts: 3,802
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by ghst99 View Post
So today my boss(es) tell us that the property manager of our building will not allow us to lock our bikes in front of our workplace anymore. They said that they have taken a description of all of our bikes and will cut the locks and take the bikes if they see them locked out front. It is private property (owned by Paul Allen), so I'm not sure if we can fight this. There are no signs at the bike racks that say anything about not being allowed to lock our bikes there. There are about 150 employees and about 20 of us ride bikes. Anyone have any advice on how we can fight this, or are we screwed?
Your bosses are *******. When that happened where I worked last year, the publisher (it was a newspaper in a leased building) told the owners that we were riding bikes in an effort to save energy, and if they tried to ban bikes, they'd get, A) a story in the paper pointing out that they were interfering with employees' efforts to stay healthy and benefit the environment, and B) sued.
Still, it's hard to fight if the boss isn't with you. Is there a columnist at the local paper that you could tak into doing something on it? Columnist are often desperate for material (I was one for 30 years), and if you present it to him or her as a group of concerned workers being thwarted by an unreasonable property manager, you might be able to stir something up. Can't do it without identifying yourselves, though...
Failing that, how about negotiating for a secure lockup or bike rack somewhere else on the property? We did that, too, and they gave us an indoor rack, out of the rain and behind locked doors. You can use the same arguments: You're saving parking places, keeping yourselves healthy for lower insurance costs, setting a good example for the rest of the community, all that stuff.
Velo Dog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-23-08, 11:52 PM   #3
Paul L.
Senior Member
 
Paul L.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Arizona, USA
Bikes: Mercier Corvus (commuter), Fila Taos (MTB), Trek 660(Got frame for free and put my LeMans Centurian components on it)
Posts: 2,601
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
They have a bike rack but won't allow bikes to be locked to it? That is rich. I would lock them up in the most visible spot closest to the property without being on private property. The paper thing would be well too.
__________________
Sunrise saturday,
I was biking the backroads,
lost in the moment.
Paul L. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-08, 12:14 AM   #4
Catweazle
Senior Member
 
Catweazle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Sale, Victoria, Australia
Bikes:
Posts: 663
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
That's a quite aggressively confrontational communication. Has any discussion about bike parking preceded it? If not then it's also a very rude communication!


It could possibly be a fair enough request, though, depending on circumstances. If the bike racks have been provided as a facility for customers/clients, and they are being filled by employees instead, then it's a genuine concern. In that circumstance employees should be negotiating for a suitable alternative for their use.
Catweazle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-08, 01:33 AM   #5
chrisch
Senior Member
 
chrisch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Rotkreuz, Switzerland
Bikes: Trek 520, Gary Fisher Big Sur
Posts: 248
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
This really sucks. I would try writing Paul Allen directly or ask your managers to suggest another place to lock your bikes. This is hardly too much to ask. Good luck!
chrisch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-08, 03:15 AM   #6
IronMac
Dead Men Assume...
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Singapore
Bikes: Bike Friday NWT
Posts: 851
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Velo Dog is right. Your bosses are wimps. Why is the property manager doing this? Let's hear more than just a flat-out no here.
IronMac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-08, 06:27 AM   #7
markhr
POWERCRANK addict
 
markhr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: North Acton, West London, UK
Bikes:
Posts: 3,783
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
http://www.google.com/search?num=100...cling+advocacy

http://www.bikeleague.org/links/advocacy.php

http://www.bikeleague.org/index.php

Robert N. Anderton
Anderton Law Office
710 Second Avenue, Suite 700
Seattle, WA 98104
(206) 262-9290
bob@andertonlaw.com
www.washingtonbikelaw.com
Bob is a daily bike commuter and an experienced advocate for injured bicyclists. Associate attorney Stacie Bain is a highly motivated car-free former bike messenger. Both are available for free consultations by phone, email or in-person.

edit: and of course publicity http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=seattle+news
__________________
shameless POWERCRANK plug
Recommended reading for all cyclists - Cyclecraft - Effective Cycling
Condor Cycles - quite possibly the best bike shop in London
Don't run red lights, wear a helmet, use hand signals, get some cycle lights(front and rear) and, FFS, don't run red lights!
markhr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-08, 06:30 PM   #8
spinnaker
Every day a winding road
 
spinnaker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Bikes: 2005 Cannondale SR500, 2008 Trek 7.3 FX, Jamis Aurora
Posts: 4,699
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 338 Post(s)
Actually Catweazle has a good point. I would get the group together and appoint a representative to talk to the BM. First see if there is a valid reason the bikes cannot be parked out front. If there is, try to agree to an alternative.

If that does not work, I would try getting in touch with Paul himself.

If that does not work, get in touch with environmental groups and the press. It is going to look very bad for Paul Allen if he is portrayed as anti green.

In the mean time, can you park in a nearby parking garage? They usually have racks available.
spinnaker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-08, 06:37 PM   #9
making
Super Moderator
 
making's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Augusta GA
Bikes: Road bike
Posts: 2,648
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 180 Post(s)
If being reasonable does not work. Go to the junk yard and buy a running and smoking junker. Paint it bright oragne and in black letters say something aobut wishing you and your co workers could ride your bikes. Then put you bike in the trunk during work hours and leave the junker in the parking lot as long as possible. Get you bike out and ride back and forth. Occassionally drive the car home so they cant say it is abaonoden. Park in your bosses parking spot sometimes.
__________________
Good Night Chesty, Wherever You Are
making is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-08, 06:43 PM   #10
East Hill
Lanky Lass
 
East Hill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Take a deep breath, and ask--What would Sheldon do?
Bikes: Nishiki Nut! International, Pro, Olympic 12, Sport mixte, and others too numerous to mention.
Posts: 21,514
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Is this in Seattle City? My understanding is that there are bike parking requirements in Seattle.

East Hill
__________________
___________________________________________________
TRY EMPATHY & HAVE LOVE IN YOUR HEART, PERHAPS I'LL SEE YOU ON THE ROAD...
East Hill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-08, 07:09 PM   #11
Retro Grouch 
Senior Member
 
Retro Grouch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: St Peters, Missouri
Bikes: Rans Rockst (Retro rocket) Rans Enduro Sport (Retro racket) Catrike 559, Merin Bear Valley (beater bike).
Posts: 26,744
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 144 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by making View Post
Go to the junk yard and buy a running and smoking junker. Paint it bright oragne and in black letters say something aobut wishing you and your co workers could ride your bikes. Then put you bike in the trunk during work hours and leave the junker in the parking lot as long as possible. Get you bike out and ride back and forth. Occassionally drive the car home so they cant say it is abaonoden. Park in your bosses parking spot sometimes.
You don't even have to drive it home, just move it to a different spot in the lot. Big ugly gas guzzling four doors should be cheap to buy these days and they also are convenient to roll your bike in between the seats. Think of it as your work mandated bike storage locker.

I've got a similar plan going. Now that my sons have their own homes I'm in the market for two such junkers to park in their driveways. I think that it's only fair since they both did it (for years at a time) when they were living in our home. I don't get mad, I get even.
Retro Grouch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-08, 07:17 PM   #12
Ex Pres
#39
 
Ex Pres's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: the 35223 (AL)
Bikes:
Posts: 6,280
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 23 Post(s)
Paul Allen is a POS. I hate Charter.
Ex Pres is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-08, 07:22 PM   #13
dobber
Perineal Pressurized
 
dobber's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: In Ebritated
Bikes:
Posts: 6,557
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Look for a win-win solution? Maybe suggest an alternative parking place. Find out the root cause of the prohibition? Work constructively. Make friends, not enemies.

All these things can be more productive than threats and stupid showmanship. It is, in the end his building/property. As long as he isn't being discriminator, he can just about do what he wants.
dobber is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-08, 07:53 PM   #14
coldfeet
Senior Member
 
coldfeet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Bikes:
Posts: 2,119
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by dobber View Post
Look for a win-win solution? Maybe suggest an alternative parking place. Find out the root cause of the prohibition? Work constructively. Make friends, not enemies.

All these things can be more productive than threats and stupid showmanship. It is, in the end his building/property. As long as he isn't being discriminator, he can just about do what he wants.
+1

But if it doesn't work, I love Making's junker suggestion!
coldfeet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-08, 07:54 PM   #15
Sprocket Man
Prefers Aluminum
 
Sprocket Man's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Honolulu
Bikes: Wife: Trek 5200, C'dale Rush Feminine, Vitus 979 Me: Felt S25, Cervelo Soloist, C'dale Killer V500, Miyata Pro (fixie)
Posts: 2,671
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Then why don't you all just drive your cars?




















Just kidding!
Sprocket Man is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-08, 08:20 PM   #16
chipcom 
Infamous Member
 
chipcom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Ohio
Bikes: Surly Big Dummy, Fuji World, 80ish Bianchi
Posts: 24,366
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Deytookerjerbs!
__________________
"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
chipcom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-08, 08:22 PM   #17
alpinist
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Seattle
Bikes: Bacchetta Giro 26, Novara Strada, Novara Forza
Posts: 385
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Is this in South Lake Union? Is it a private company?

They have bike racks, but they are going to steal bikes from people that use the racks? Strange...
alpinist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-08, 08:23 PM   #18
Allen
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Bikes:
Posts: 4,751
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
If the company takes your bike, call the cops and have them arrested.
Theft is theft.
Allen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-08, 08:31 PM   #19
Sprocket Man
Prefers Aluminum
 
Sprocket Man's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Honolulu
Bikes: Wife: Trek 5200, C'dale Rush Feminine, Vitus 979 Me: Felt S25, Cervelo Soloist, C'dale Killer V500, Miyata Pro (fixie)
Posts: 2,671
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by AllenG View Post
If the company takes your bike, call the cops and have them arrested.
Theft is theft.
If the bike rack is on private property and they informed bikers that they wouldn't be allowed to park there, they have every right to take the bikes. It wouldn't be cool, but they still have that right.

Like if I drove to work and parked in my bosses reserved parking stall, they would have every right to tow my car.
Sprocket Man is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-08, 08:35 PM   #20
Sixty Fiver
Bicycle Repair Man !!!
 
Sixty Fiver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: YEG
Bikes: See my sig...
Posts: 27,264
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
So you have bike racks but the property management comapny is going to steal your bikes if you use them when you come to work ?

Express your concerns to your employer and have them speak to the property management company.

If they do not rescind inform the press.

Inform the pm company that you will continue to ride to work and lock up in the stands that have been provided for this express purpose.

When my employer failed to provide secure bike storage we parked inside (and well out of the way) until facilities were provided... the rack they provided was poor and still left bikes vulnerable (they did not ask us what was needed) and after this we were provided with a secure room with an outside access.

Our offices were / are located in high crime areas so if a bike wasn't stolen, they would be stripped and damaged.

I went to other sites where the situation was the same and challenged their no bikes policy until they made changes at those sites as well.
Sixty Fiver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-08, 08:41 PM   #21
Rev.Chuck
The Red Lantern
 
Rev.Chuck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Raleigh NC
Bikes:
Posts: 5,965
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sprocket Man View Post
If the bike rack is on private property and they informed bikers that they wouldn't be allowed to park there, they have every right to take the bikes. It wouldn't be cool, but they still have that right.

Like if I drove to work and parked in my bosses reserved parking stall, they would have every right to tow my car.

Have a freind, not employed there, lock up a bike at the racks every day. Wait for that bike to be taken, then call the cops.
__________________
Are you a registered member? Why not? click here to register. Its free, and only takes 27 seconds!
Help out the forums, abide by our community guidelines.

I am in the woods and I have gone crazy.
Rev.Chuck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-08, 08:49 PM   #22
chipcom 
Infamous Member
 
chipcom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Ohio
Bikes: Surly Big Dummy, Fuji World, 80ish Bianchi
Posts: 24,366
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver View Post
If they do not rescind inform the press.
It would make a great story. In a time if rising fuel prices, environmental concerns and obesity a company prevents employees from doing their part to reduce our dependence on oil, help the environment and maintain their physical fitness.
__________________
"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
chipcom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-08, 09:04 PM   #23
Sixty Fiver
Bicycle Repair Man !!!
 
Sixty Fiver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: YEG
Bikes: See my sig...
Posts: 27,264
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
It does not sound like the company is doing this but rather, the property management company.

In either case...it would make a great story that I am sure the press would be most interested in.
Sixty Fiver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-08, 10:07 PM   #24
Allen
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Bikes:
Posts: 4,751
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sprocket Man View Post
If the bike rack is on private property and they informed bikers that they wouldn't be allowed to park there, they have every right to take the bikes. It wouldn't be cool, but they still have that right.

Like if I drove to work and parked in my bosses reserved parking stall, they would have every right to tow my car.
Fair enough, but from what I've been able to google up, I believe in Seattle, bike parking has to be provided, and it sounds like it even has to be covered (meaning under a roof) if the car parking is covered.

http://www.washingtonbikelaw.com/ <--those guys, they are bike lawyers.

And (206) 684-7583 is the number to the Seattle Department of Transportation Bicycle & Pedestrian Program.
They will know for sure.

Last edited by Allen; 04-24-08 at 10:16 PM.
Allen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-08, 10:11 PM   #25
Mr. Miskatonic
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Bikes:
Posts: 240
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by ghst99 View Post
So today my boss(es) tell us that the property manager of our building will not allow us to lock our bikes in front of our workplace anymore. They said that they have taken a description of all of our bikes and will cut the locks and take the bikes if they see them locked out front. It is private property (owned by Paul Allen), so I'm not sure if we can fight this. There are no signs at the bike racks that say anything about not being allowed to lock our bikes there. There are about 150 employees and about 20 of us ride bikes. Anyone have any advice on how we can fight this, or are we screwed?
Get an old beater and secure it with 20 Krytonite locks. Watch the guy try to cut all of them off.
Mr. Miskatonic is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:50 PM.